Duaine, The aural part of the tuning test was the only thing that I failed, thereby never becoming an RPT. I know that it was ALL my fault that I was unable to. Lots of members offered me help, but unfortunately I was a member of an inactive chapter, so real everyday one on one help was not available. Bill Bremmer even offered a one on one via Skype assistance, but that was after I dropped my membership when I turned 70. I think the biggest hangup I had, was, in not being able to count beats. I see now that counting wasn't as important as I thought. I should have just widenend the 4th's a smidgeon, and narrowed the 5th's and it would probably have been ok. Less emphasis should be placed on counting beats, I do not think that this fear was only felt by me. The part that gets me is, that once the aural part of the test is passed, there is no need to ever think of the aural part again, I can use my ETD exclusively for the rest of my life, and as long as I pay my dues, I am an RPT. Just my take on it. I think the PTG has been a great help over the years, I have been to close to 20 conventions and gained knowledge in every one. Met some great people. I got the contract again for the local university, sent automatically. This is my 22nd year, so even without the RPT and using my ETD a school of music has been kept happy. It is only a small music department, 40 pianos, but 100 plus tunings a year. If the tunings were not satisfactory, I am sure I would have been informed by now. John Ross Windsor, Nova Scotia On 26-05-2012, at 8:05 AM, Duaine Hechler wrote: > Oh, yeah, almost forgot - therefore - there is NO need for the aural tuning test ! > > Unless, like other persons have noted, they CHANGE it for technique, stability, accuracy, unisons, etc ! > > On 05/26/2012 12:26 AM, Duaine Hechler wrote: >> Joe, >> >> I can't believe - you are - starting this crap again. >> >> Whether you or anyone else likes it or not, there are more ETD users, without aural training, than ever, and it's only growing more and more every year and aural tuners are going to become less and less every year. >> >> And has been proven over and over and over and over and over, ETD tunings are well enough to provide every tuning from the home to universities to symphonies, music studios and more. >> >> AND, to add injury to insult, the SMARTER the ETD's get, the LESS and LESS is needed for aural tuning skills. >> >> My take on this seemingly never ending argument............ >> >> Duaine >> >> On 05/25/2012 11:49 PM, Joseph Garrett wrote: >>> Duaine said: >>> "Well, IMHO, at least Cybertuner does. Because before you start tuning, you >>> sample all the A's, which no only tells how >>> far off the tuning is, but also registers the inharmonicity, etc. Plus >>> allows - 9 - standard settings for stretch as >>> well as allowing for custom settings. Plus, also, allows for setting to >>> listening to certain partials." >>> >>> And if you think I swallow that, I've got some good bottom land for you. >>> That assumes that that takes in the whole gammit of every kind of >>> inharmonicity....Which it does not! I get real tired of listening to >>> supposed techs that think that Aural is the only way and/or The Machine is >>> the absolute way! Sheesh! If you do not know how to tune, at a reasonable >>> level, Aurally, then the machine is going to take you down the dumb path of >>> trying to convince you that it's "formulae" is the BEST way to tune a >>> piano. It just ain't so! I passed my RPT exam, Aurally. I use an ETD. It is >>> a tool,....nothing more/nothing less! It helps me to be very close. >>> However, it does NOT make a piano MUSICAL! Yes, it can make a spinet as >>> good as it can be. (Don't waste your TIME trying to get it much better. >>> Simply spinning your wheels there. The reality is: the machine, PLUS good >>> Aural Skills will help you to be a good, consistant tuner that puts out a >>> MUSICAL tuning, almost every time! That's the bottom line. >>> All this B.S. about "Stretch" and "Wow" tunings from the Aural Crowd and >>> the "Perfect" "whatever" from the ETD crowd is just a whole lot of B.S. >>> Bluster, imo. There are damned few techs that really have a right to lord >>> over you, their way of doing it. Those are USUALLY the head instructors at >>> the National! The George Defenbaugh/Jim Colemans of our organization are a >>> couple of those. The rest, just want to make their own ego prevail. (Flack >>> suit firmly zipped up! Along with a good set of ear plugs!<G>) >>> IF anyone wishes to discuss different tuning philosophies and methods, >>> that's the way we help each other to improve our skills. That's what it's >>> all about. However, anything more/less than that is just B.S. imo.<G> BTW, >>> if you have 10 tuners in a room, you will get, at least,...20 different >>> opinions. Especially, when it comes to tunings.<G> >>> That's my take on it. >>> Joe >>> >>> >>> Joe Garrett, R.P.T. >>> Captain of the Tool Police >>> Squares R I >>> >>> >> >> > > > -- > Duaine Hechler > Piano, Player Piano, Pump Organ > Tuning, Servicing& Rebuilding > Reed Organ Society Member > Florissant, MO 63034 > (314) 838-5587 > dahechler at att.net > www.hechlerpianoandorgan.com > -- > Home& Business user of Linux - 11 years > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <https://www.moypiano.com/ptg/pianotech.php/attachments/20120526/fde266fd/attachment-0001.htm>
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