On 05/27/2012 02:04 PM, Gary wrote: > To begin, let me mention that I use an ETD. I was an aural tuner for 27years before incorporating an electronic > devise into my arsenal. > This past Thursday, there was a bit of communication breakdown between a client and I, regarding what time we actually > made the appointment for. > Suffice it to say, that appointment wasn't kept. However, we did reschedule it for Sat morning. As I was ready to > leave that morning, I reached for my IPAQ > on it's cradle, and was horrified to note that the charge light was not on, meaning, well..it wasn't charged. So, > what was I to do? Call the lady and explain that > my tuning device wasn't charged, therefore I couldn't tune her piano? What, and really look like a fool then? No > way; I just went and tuned it like I did back in the old days. > So, there is some worth in knowing.. > gary > > > > On 5/27/2012 6:22 AM, Al Guecia/Allied PianoCraft wrote: >> ON the money! Well said. >> >> Al - >> High Point, NC >> >> >> >> On May 26, 2012, at 1:39 PM, Paul McCloud wrote: >> >> Hi, All: >> This discussion about whether to learn aural tuning techniques or not reminds me of something my Guru said to me, >> "Machines are for experts. Not for neophytes." >> When learning any craft such as ours, starting from the basics gives one a foundation to build upon. If you want to >> be an expert carpenter or cabinetmaker, you learn to use the hand tools first. I went to L.A. Trade Tech college >> when I was 19. We had to make our first projects with only hand tools, no power. We had to learn to use chisels and >> hand saws first before we were allowed to use the machinery. This is how one learns to master the craft. If one >> wanted to be a mathematician, does anyone think it's not necessary to learn the times tables? Sadly, there are some >> schools that de-emphasize learning times tables. We have computers and calculators after all. Why learn spelling? >> This is also not taught properly, as one can see in so many publications and online. We have spell checkers after >> all. If you call yourself a writer, would you learn to spell? Hey, it's not necessary now that we have >> spellcheckers. U no wat i meen? >> My mother was an audiologist. She had earned her degree in Speech and Hearing, and had her own business. Most of >> that business consisted of fitting hearing aids. She would often complain that there were hearing aid fitters that >> did only that, but didn't know anything about hearing, or the anatomy, or anything of pathology. They were >> competitors of my mother. But, if a doctor had a patient with a hearing problem, he wasn't going to send them to a >> hearing aid fitter. My mother would get that referral because she knew more and was an expert in the field. >> The argument over whether one needs to learn aural tuning will never be resolved. But, if one wants to be an expert >> in any field, one has to learn it from the beginning. If you don't learn the basics, you can't call yourself an >> expert. If you don't care to be an expert, that's up to you. But you'll never be known as one. >> >> My take. >> Paul McCloud >> San Diego OK, I'll bit.... so what happens when a person can't, for what ever reason, learn the aural tuning skills (enough to do a full tuning) - not tune at all. B. S. - that is way - at least, one reason - the ETD's were developed. So, not to get flamed too bad - I still tune unisons by ear and, at the end, I do octave tests by ear. As the British would say - "put that in your pipe (pronounced peep) at smoke it" -- Duaine Hechler Piano, Player Piano, Pump Organ Tuning, Servicing& Rebuilding Reed Organ Society Member Florissant, MO 63034 (314) 838-5587 dahechler at att.net www.hechlerpianoandorgan.com -- Home& Business user of Linux - 11 years
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