Dauine ETD were invented to help aural tuners, not to be used exclusively. Tuning unisons by ear is almost an after thought in the whole tuning process. In other words, although it is very important, it's basically a skill that' s expected to be known. And if you can't tune by ear, then don't pretend to be a piano tuner. There is nothing wrong with using an ETD, but it's only a tool to help you tune a piano, not a tool to do all the work. Wim Sent from my iPhone On May 27, 2012, at 3:59 PM, Duaine Hechler <dahechler at att.net> wrote: > On 05/27/2012 02:04 PM, Gary wrote: >> To begin, let me mention that I use an ETD. I was an aural tuner for 27years before incorporating an electronic devise into my arsenal. >> This past Thursday, there was a bit of communication breakdown between a client and I, regarding what time we actually made the appointment for. >> Suffice it to say, that appointment wasn't kept. However, we did reschedule it for Sat morning. As I was ready to leave that morning, I reached for my IPAQ >> on it's cradle, and was horrified to note that the charge light was not on, meaning, well..it wasn't charged. So, what was I to do? Call the lady and explain that >> my tuning device wasn't charged, therefore I couldn't tune her piano? What, and really look like a fool then? No way; I just went and tuned it like I did back in the old days. >> So, there is some worth in knowing.. >> gary >> >> >> >> On 5/27/2012 6:22 AM, Al Guecia/Allied PianoCraft wrote: >>> ON the money! Well said. >>> >>> Al - >>> High Point, NC >>> >>> >>> >>> On May 26, 2012, at 1:39 PM, Paul McCloud wrote: >>> >>> Hi, All: >>> This discussion about whether to learn aural tuning techniques or not reminds me of something my Guru said to me, "Machines are for experts. Not for neophytes." >>> When learning any craft such as ours, starting from the basics gives one a foundation to build upon. If you want to be an expert carpenter or cabinetmaker, you learn to use the hand tools first. I went to L.A. Trade Tech college when I was 19. We had to make our first projects with only hand tools, no power. We had to learn to use chisels and hand saws first before we were allowed to use the machinery. This is how one learns to master the craft. If one wanted to be a mathematician, does anyone think it's not necessary to learn the times tables? Sadly, there are some schools that de-emphasize learning times tables. We have computers and calculators after all. Why learn spelling? This is also not taught properly, as one can see in so many publications and online. We have spell checkers after all. If you call yourself a writer, would you learn to spell? Hey, it's not necessary now that we have spellcheckers. U no wat i meen? >>> My mother was an audiologist. She had earned her degree in Speech and Hearing, and had her own business. Most of that business consisted of fitting hearing aids. She would often complain that there were hearing aid fitters that did only that, but didn't know anything about hearing, or the anatomy, or anything of pathology. They were competitors of my mother. But, if a doctor had a patient with a hearing problem, he wasn't going to send them to a hearing aid fitter. My mother would get that referral because she knew more and was an expert in the field. >>> The argument over whether one needs to learn aural tuning will never be resolved. But, if one wants to be an expert in any field, one has to learn it from the beginning. If you don't learn the basics, you can't call yourself an expert. If you don't care to be an expert, that's up to you. But you'll never be known as one. >>> >>> My take. >>> Paul McCloud >>> San Diego > OK, I'll bit.... so what happens when a person can't, for what ever reason, learn the aural tuning skills (enough to do a full tuning) - not tune at all. > > B. S. - that is way - at least, one reason - the ETD's were developed. > > So, not to get flamed too bad - I still tune unisons by ear and, at the end, I do octave tests by ear. > > As the British would say - "put that in your pipe (pronounced peep) at smoke it" > > -- > Duaine Hechler > Piano, Player Piano, Pump Organ > Tuning, Servicing& Rebuilding > Reed Organ Society Member > Florissant, MO 63034 > (314) 838-5587 > dahechler at att.net > www.hechlerpianoandorgan.com > -- > Home& Business user of Linux - 11 years >
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