ETD's

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Jim,

Al went from one reading to three readings and I would imagine he will =
up his SAT IV to compete against the multiple partial machines if and =
when he does that.  $ to be made on upgrading....;-]

There was a time when the more toys the better but I'm simplifying my =
career.  Almost strictly field work so I pack it in.  My arms are long =
enough.  No, I don't want to pull along something on wheels.  University =
work would probably necessitate carrying everything you might need from =
one room to the next...?  I can go out to my car when I need =
something...

David I.
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  From: Jim Busby=20
  To: College and University Technicians=20
  Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 11:38 AM
  Subject: RE: ETD's


  David,

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              On the second tuning, after it had all the partials =
recorded, the Verituner did nearly what the DOB function does on the SAT =
III by expanding the double octave, and over the break it really made =
the tuning smoother. With the SAT, I nearly always disagree with a =
"stock" tuning but, I need to add, Al Sanderson is emphatic about the =
need to use your aural skills and use the SAT as a tool, not the end =
thereof. That is one of the reasons he added the DOB function. Also, the =
6:3 octaves in the bass sometimes bother me on larger scales so I tune =
8:4 and sometimes 12:6 on the very bottom. Dr. Sanderson says he used a =
certain university's piano faculty (Harvard??) as a basis for those =
octaves, so it was a subjective decision.

              Dr. Sanderson wrote a very energetic article defending his =
FAC numbers and discounting the "multiple partial" method of other ETDs =
as unnecessary. No doubt he is a whiz and his product is great, but I =
still like the bells and whistles on the Verituner and RCT.=20

              One of the introductions of Al Sanderson at a convention =
went something like this "Al Sanderson has single handedly raised the =
level of tunings in the world."  He is a wonderful technician with a =
great product so I'm not getting rid of my SAT in the near future!

              Hope that answers your question.

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  Jim Busby RPT

  BYU

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  From: caut-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:caut-bounces@ptg.org] On Behalf Of =
David's Email
  Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2003 5:25 PM
  To: College and University Technicians
  Subject: Re: ETD's

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  Jim,=20

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  I'm interested in how the Verituner tweeked the tuning like your ear =
would.  What does that mean? =20

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  David I.

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    From: Jim Busby=20

    To: davidlovepianos@earthlink.net ; College and University =
Technicians=20

    Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2003 12:37 PM

    Subject: RE: ETD's

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    Ditto what Dave said. I really like the Verituner. Jim Coleman's =
class on ETD's is great if you haven't taken it. The bottom line seems =
to be; any one of the 4 can do whatever you want IF you know how to use =
them and IF you use your aural skills. I've used all but Tunelab. If =
you're into computers and really high tech stuff, try Cybertuner. If =
you've used SAT 1 you'll like the III. It's a workhorse. I recharge mine =
once a month, and I love the DOB feature. AND you can still tweek the =
numbers. I've tuned several pianos with the Verituner and had the SAT =
side by side, and I can say that they agreed on the first tuning =
(Verituner takes in partials on the first tuning) but on the 2nd tuning =
the Verituner tweeked the tuning the way I would have by ear. (Mostly. I =
still check and change some things with the Verituner.=20

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    I know a technician in Cal. that swears he can tune with a Stobocon =
and make it work! (Maybe he can, maybe he can't.)

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    Jim Busby BYU

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    -----Original Message-----
    From: caut-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:caut-bounces@ptg.org] On Behalf =
Of David Love
    Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2003 11:38 AM
    To: College and University Technicians
    Subject: RE: ETD's

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    I've used the SAT III and the Verituner (which I now use and =
prefer).  The Verituner, IMO, delivers a better no brainer tuning, nice =
pitch raise function, good data storage, and finds any note you play.  =
The only down side is that it's bigger, heavier and the battery life is =
shorter 8 hours).  I carry the charger/adapter with me. =20

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    David Love

    davidlovepianos@earthlink.net

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      From: Dave Forman=20

      To: caut@ptg.org

      Sent: 11/1/2003 9:00:39 AM=20

      Subject: ETD's

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      Caut,

      I'm considering buying a new tuner, and I'm looking for advice. =
I'm looking at the SAT, Cybertuner, and Verituner. What are your =
experiences with these, which do you prefer, and why. I've used an SAT I =
for 12 years, and I'm wondering if the newer devices do give a better =
tuning.

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      Dave Forman

      Westminster Choir College of Rider University

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