Michigan State U. Position still open

Jeff Tanner jtanner@mozart.sc.edu
Fri, 6 Aug 2004 16:28:19 -0400


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Hi Mike
Your point is heard loud and clear.  And it is a very good point, well=20=

taken.  Let's do the math.

There are three health plan options at MSU.  Apparently, MSU currently=20=

pays the entire premium for one of the plans, whether it be for=20
employee only, or full family, and full family dental is also=20
completely paid.  I haven't seen this anywhere else in any of the other=20=

positions I have researched.  I'm seeing employee contributions as high=20=

as $427/month (full family) for standard plans elsewhere.  My current=20
full family plan contribution is about $235/month (double what it was 3=20=

years ago - the last time state employees got a raise until last month,=20=

and it's going to $275 in December) plus about $21/month for a dental=20
plan (that our dentists have laughed at).  Point:  MSU, until they,=20
like SC and other states I've researched, decide they can no longer=20
bear the full cost of health insurance premiums.

MSU also will contribute 10% of your base salary towards retirement, if=20=

or when you are eligible.  You contribute 5% of your base salary.  Some=20=

employee groups are eligible (and vested) immediately, but others have=20=

a 24 month waiting period before MSU kicks anything in.  It is unclear=20=

which employee group the piano technician at MSU falls into.  This is a=20=

defined contribution plan, which means you have some management=20
controls over the funds in the account, and immediate ownership of=20
those funds, but your income at retirement is dependent on the value of=20=

the account when you retire.  This differs from SC's retirement plan,=20
which is a defined benefit plan, based on an annual return projections=20=

of 6%.  Employees contribute 6% and the university matches an=20
additional 11% but the employee is not vested until after 5 years, and=20=

early withdrawals are limited to employee contributions plus interest=20
on those contributions.  If the plan does not return 6%, the state pays=20=

the difference, but we have no control over it until retirement. =20
Advantage depends on how well investments perform.

MSU does currently offer a program in which employee's spouse/children=20=

may take courses at MSU for 1/2 tuition.  Additionally, employees may=20
take up to 14 hours per year tuition free.  Here, an employee may take=20=

3 hours per semester tuition free, given there is available space in=20
the class.  No family tuition assistance is offered, and my assistant=20
dean tells me this is a benefit being abolished nationwide.  Another=20
point for MSU - for now.

These are very good benefits.  Better value than here in SC, for sure,=20=

and at first glance, appear better than other southeastern states'=20
offerings as well.  But how much of an income reduction can you=20
weather?  Remember, as an employee, almost nothing is income tax=20
deductible as a business expense - no PTG dues or convention expenses,=20=

no tools, no vehicle expense, etc., despite the fact that you will=20
still incur these expenses.  So, the income comparison has to come from=20=

gross income minus cost of goods sold and advertising costs.

MSU is going to save you $15,600/year immediately in health insurance=20
premiums alone (gotta admit, that figure baffles me.  Surely there are=20=

more cost effective ways of protecting yourself against unfortuitous=20
loss?  That premium figure will pay a lot of doctor bills.  You're not=20=

carrying a maternity rider are you?  Those things are just savings=20
accounts plus administrative fees.)  They will also contribute an=20
additional $3600ish per year towards your retirement account, so just=20
for retirement and health insurance alone, you're looking at roughly=20
$19K.  Add in their social security match (i.e. "self-employment=20
insurance" - but you still will pay at least half of this tax) -=20
roughly $2750, and you're up to $21,750.  The value of the college=20
tuition benefits is hard to calculate, and depends on whether you=20
actually take advantage of them, or whether they're still available=20
when your children get there.  So, you're looking at $36K plus $21750,=20=

or a total package of about $57,750, plus 1/2 of college tuition if you=20=

are able to take advantage of that.

Bottom line:  with all this benefit/salary package, after deductions,=20
you're gonna get a check for about $550 or so a week, or about $1,191=20
twice a month.  Can you actually live in Michigan on that? (Conrad said=20=

stuff is expensive there)  Is this considered a good income in=20
Michigan?  Is this reflective of the value of the skill level MSU is=20
going to expect of you? (see Brad Smith's post)  Is this what our skill=20=

as professionals is worth?

Just wondering.
Ya'll have a good weekend!
Jeff

On Wednesday, August 4, 2004, at 08:08 PM, Mike Hoffman wrote:

> Greetings listees from a confirmed lurker,
> =A0
> I've got to respectfully disagree about the discussion of the low=20
> salary offer at MSU.=A0 If my health insurance premiums =
(self-employed,=20
> two people, no kids) of $1,300 dollars per month were paid by MSU, AND=20=

> they contributed towards my retirement, AND they gave me paid=20
> vacations AND they paid for professional development seminars AND they=20=

> provided affordable educational opportunities for my wife and me, I=20
> would consider myself very fortunate, indeed.=A0 The grass is always=20=

> greener somewhere, but I think there is a bigger picture to consider.=A0=
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> Yes, piano technicians should have higher incomes; but factor those=20
> state benefits into the pot and you'll have a different picture.=A0
> =A0
> Mike Hoffman, RPT
> =A0

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