[CAUT] M & H model 50

Daniel Gurnee dgurnee@humboldt1.com
Wed, 1 Feb 2006 14:20:40 -0800


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Look for abrasive deposits on the spoons digging into the lifter felt.

Dan Gurnee

On Wednesday, February 1, 2006, at 11:54 AM, Michelle Stranges wrote:

> HEY... you stole my thought!!
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> :D
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> I was thinking it was something to do with the dampers/spoons too!
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> :)
> M
> On Feb 1, 2006, at 1:20 PM, central wrote:
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> Aaron,
> =A0=A0=A0=A0I had bobbling hammers on a Yamaha P22 which only happened =
with=20
> the pedal down. =A0It turned out to be the damper pedal adjusting wing=20=

> nut on the trap lever. =A0=A0When the pedal was down, the the dampers=20=

> could be moved a slight amount by the key. =A0=A0In very light playing =
a=20
> pianist felt resistance when the spoons hit the damper levers and that=20=

> would effectively be the bottom of key travel, consequently bobbling=20=

> hammers. =A0Regulating it so no movement of dampers could be seen with=20=

> pedal held down solved it.
> -Mike Jorgensen
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> On 2/1/06 12:55 PM, "Vincent Mrykalo" <v.mrykalo@utah.edu> wrote:
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> Aaron,
> A thicker but(t) felt will do it for you.
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> On Jan 30, 2006, at 5:58 PM, Aaron Bousel wrote:
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> Hi all,
> =A0I sent this about a week ago and got no response, so I thought I'd=20=

> try again.
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> =A0Thanks to all who have responded to this. UMass is on winter break=20=

> until a week from Monday and after that I'll have a chance to get back=20=

> to that piano (private customer). In response to what I've read so > =
far:
> =A0I will of course recheck the regulation, but I don't think that's =
the=20
> issue. The bobbling happens on a very soft blow when, I suspect, the=20=

> key doesn't even go all the way down, so more key dip won't help. I'll=20=

> check the profile of the butt "leather" to see if a thicker butt felt=20=

> will allow better escapement without allowing the jack to skip out too=20=

> easily.
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> =A0To go bac! k to why eturn springs as a solution: On a very soft,=20
> incomplete, blow the hammer is thrown at the string just as the jack=20=

> hits let-off. The hammer then rebounds from the string but since the=20=

> key has not been fully depressed when the hammer rebounds from the=20
> string (as someone said, it could be .005" short of complete travel=20
> and that could make the difference) it hits the jack and rebounds off=20=

> of it. If there is no resistance in the pinning, and the hammer=20
> springs are weak, it will just bounce off the jack, back onto the=20
> string, back onto the jack, back onto the string, until it runs out of=20=

> energy.
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> =A0There was one part of my question no one answered. That was about=20=

> good quality flange bushing cloth. I haven't had to buy any for quite=20=

> a while so I was wondering about a good source. Also, since we had the=20=

> discussion about glues; does anyone use anything but hot hide glue for=20=

> rebushing flanges?
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> =A0And just a bit off topic: My email program (Eudora) monitors =
incoming=20
> mail for ! questiona nguage, and alerts me by marking such incoming=20
> mail with one or more chili pepper icons in my inbox. Several of the=20=

> posts on this topic arrived with "chilis" and it took me a while to=20
> figure that the program didn't like all this talk of "butts".
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> =A0I'm also looking forward to checking out Don's info on the sticker=20=

> tongue position.
> =A0(Butts and tongues--what is this list coming to?)
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> =A0Aaron
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> There is a Mason & Hamlin upright model 50 (vintage 1975) I service=20
> and at the last tuning the owner was complaining about bobbling=20
> hammers. The hammer pinning is very loose. I played around with the=20
> note that was bothering her the most and through a combination of=20
> repinning and strengthening the hammer return spring was able to all=20=

> but eliminate the problem. The piano is in good regulation. Here's the=20=

> issue: The action is really poorly made. 1975 was not e! xactly th n=20=

> repinning the one I did, I could see that the flange bushing cloth was=20=

> poor quality. It would be wonderful to replace the whole action, but=20=

> that's not going to happen. Does anyone know if it's possible to get=20=

> replacement hammer flanges? These flanges are different from the=20
> generic ones sold by piano supply houses. If that's not possible, I=20
> have to go with rebushing what's there. Any recommendations on a good=20=

> source of flange bushing cloth? I know M&H are making these again.=20
> Anyone know if the action design is the same?
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> =A0thanks,
> =A0Aaron
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> =A0=A0------------------------------------------
> =A0Aaron Bousel
> =A0Registered Piano Technician, Piano Technicians Guild
> =A0 abousel@comcast.net
> =A0(413) 253-3846 (voice & fax)
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> =A0=A0----------------! --------- on Bousel
> =A0Registered Piano Technician, Piano Technicians Guild
> =A0 abousel@comcast.net
> =A0(413) 253-3846 (voice & fax) =A0
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> =A0=A0------------------------------------------
> =A0Aaron Bousel
> =A0 abousel@comcast.net
> =A0(413) 253-3544 (voice)
> =A0(413) 253-3846 (voice & fax)
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