[CAUT] 1098 slight redesign

[David Love]

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I am not a rescaler, I've had Del Fandrich do my scaling and invariably =
with
Steinways there are changes made to the bass that are always an =
improvement
in terms of clarity.  I can only say that what I notice is the tendency =
in
the low bass to reduce the thickness of the core wire and go to double
wraps.  I can't, unfortunately, give you the specifics. =20

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David Love
davidlovepianos@comcast.net=20

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From: caut-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:caut-bounces@ptg.org] On Behalf Of =
Jim
Busby
Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 10:53 AM
To: College and University Technicians
Subject: RE: [CAUT] 1098 slight redesign

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David,

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The low bass is really thuddy and it gets better to the break. (Although =
the
side by side shows the original design even worse!) Hellerbass did the
rescale and strings. I may get Arledge to do it and then we could see, =
w/o
changing any more variables, what that does.

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I didn't measure the new strings to compare, since I don't do much =
rescaling
(yet), but I guess I should. It has a tendency to make my head explode.
Vince thinks I should just get the low bass replaced from Arledge and =
see
what that does. What do you think?

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Thanks for the feedback. I certainly need it with this project. I'm not
willing to let this "stand" just to be done with it because I feel it =
will
be of value to us all. There are a bunch of these rascals around and I
certainly want to find the best formula I can. It may be that I need a =
new
board design and the whole banana. I'm just trying to see if I can find =
a
cost/time efficient fix.

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I will update you with more info.

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Regards,

Jim Busby BYU

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From: caut-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:caut-bounces@ptg.org] On Behalf Of =
David
Love
Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 7:14 AM
To: 'College and University Technicians'
Subject: RE: [CAUT] 1098 slight redesign

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Is it thuddy all the way down or just in the low bass?  Who made the =
strings
and did the rescaling of the bass?  When you rescaled the bass what kind =
of
core wire dimension did you end up with in the monos and how did the
dimensions compare overall with the original?  The original Steinway =
core
dimensions on those are quite thick (.063 at A0 often).  On pianos that =
I've
had rescaled I've noticed that the core wires ended up somewhat thinner =
and
that double wraps were added in the low bass.  These rescalings have =
always
improved the tone at the lower part of the piano. =20

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David Love
davidlovepianos@comcast.net=20

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From: caut-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:caut-bounces@ptg.org] On Behalf Of =
Jim
Busby
Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2006 11:22 AM
To: College and University Technicians
Subject: [CAUT] 1098 slight redesign

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List,

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We just finished a restringing/slight redesign of a 1963 Steinway =
upright.=20

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1.       We ground down the "bump" and lowered the pressure bar =
slightly.
This made tuning a LOT better. Easier and more stable.=20

2.       We shortened the apron on the bass bridge (cantilever) to give =
85mm
(backscale) on the lowest bass note. It was 40mm.=20

3.       It now has Pure Sound stainless wire. This made the biggest
difference. Richer, more stable.=20

4.       Added a small tenor bridge. I'm not sure if this made much of a
difference, but the break does seem to be smoother and the bichords seem =
to
have a slightly stronger fundamental.=20

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A side by side listen with the same model showed vast improvements in =
the
plain wire sections. I think this was mainly due to the stainless wire.
Also, it tunes like a dream now! Removing the bump was easy and well =
worth
it.=20

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Although the piano is improved, in some ways greatly, I still don't like =
the
bass. It's better than the old design but still a bit "thumpy". Any
feedback??

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I attached a "before" picture and a close up of the bridge changes. The
"bump" area looks like the new 1098s so I didn't take a picture of that.

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I highly recommend the "bump" removal and the Pure Sound wire. Jury's =
still
out on the other changes.

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Regards,

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Jim Busby BYU


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