---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment Hi Jeannie, I can't resist adding=20 my 2 cents. Having done many hands on training=20 classes, I can give voice to my observations. The ladies that I have worked with appear to be=20 far more nimble, and accurate than their male counter parts. Certainly in the piano factories they very capably out shine the men. I have always felt privileged to work alongside=20 the fairer sex. They are no less and no more in anyway, Just equal. Regards Roger At 05:27 PM 1/22/2006, you wrote: >Wim, >Not to be confrontational....But, when you make=20 >general, sweeping statements about how women do=20 >or don=92t behave, that IS being sexist!!! >If you were to make the same sort of=20 >generalities about a minority group, I think you=20 >could see how that would be equally as misguided. > >Perhaps the observations you=92ve made about your=20 >wife, may just have to do with your wife and not=20 >all women, as you suggested. There are many=20 >reasons why she may have preferred=20 >tuning. There are many reasons why she may be=20 >mechanically challenged...one of which is that=20 >the toys and opportunities marketed for girls=20 >offer them little in that direction. I had no=20 >brothers and I never got to have all the =93cool=94=20 >toys and games that all the boys got. (At least=20 >to me they were way cooler.) Back then, parents=20 >thought they shouldn=92t cross over the gender=20 >lines with those things. Changing diapers on=20 >baby dolls was the most mechanical thing some of=20 >us got to do. And if you take a stroll down the=20 >aisles of Toys R Us, you=92ll see that it hasn=92t changed all that much. > >When young girls are encouraged to have their=20 >own tools, build things, fix things, take things=20 >apart....they are having some of the basic=20 >experiences that begin to develop mechanical=20 >reasoning. At least in this area, things have=20 >begun to change. It is the attitudes of those=20 >of us making decisions for young women that still need to change. > >I kindly suggest to you, Wim, that you might=20 >re-examine your thinking about such=20 >things. Step up to the 21st century. A lot of us are here! :>) >Respectfully, >jeannie > >Jeannie Grassi, RPT ><mailto:jcgrassi@earthlink.net>mailto:jcgrassi@earthlink.net > > >---------- >From: caut-bounces@ptg.org=20 >[mailto:caut-bounces@ptg.org] On Behalf Of Wimblees@aol.com >Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2006 3:36 PM >To: caut@ptg.org >Subject: Re: [CAUT] Differences? > >In a message dated 1/20/2006 10:49:27 P.M.=20 >Central Standard Time, jim_busby@byu.edu writes: >A serious question here; I=92ve got three=20 >daughters and a son who have learned to do quite=20 >a bit of piano work. The girls all love to do=20 >tedious shop work but HATE to tune. The boy=20 >loves to tune but doesn=92t like shop work all=20 >that much. I just thought it was their=20 >personalities until I started having students=20 >work here at BYU. Seems the same applies. I=20 >don=92t want to come across as sexist in any way,=20 >but I want to understand why. All the female=20 >students seem to excel more at the shop skills,=20 >but seem to dislike tuning. It seems harder for=20 >them than the guys. They seem to be less=20 >aggressive and more perfectionists and can=20 >hardly stand it if they don=92t get it right NOW.=20 >There are other teachers besides me so I don=92t=20 >think my teaching style is to be blamed. I guess=20 >the real question is, do women (physically,=20 >mentally=85) have a harder time learning to tune??=20 >I really want to encourage more women to take up the trade. (Help!) > >Jim Busby BYU > > >Jim > >Women are perfectionist, and they do have a LOT=20 >more patience than men. Again, not to be sexist,=20 >but that is why they make good secretaries. They=20 >catch all the mistakes their male bosses make. > >But on the other side of that coin, 20 years ago=20 >I taught my wife to tune. She did fine with=20 >that, but she is more or less mechanically=20 >challenged. She does not do well using tools. So=20 >when I tried teaching her regulation and do=20 >minor repairs, it just didn't register with her.=20 >I think part of the reason is that she didn't do=20 >the same thing within a couple of days. I could=20 >teach how to do one procedure, but unless she=20 >could do it again within a week, she would=20 >forget what to do. I taught her how to do let=20 >off on a direct blow action. But when I tried to=20 >show her the same thing on a drop action, it=20 >didn't register with her. The same with making repairs. > >Wim ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: https://www.moypiano.com/ptg/caut.php/attachments/18/55/13/c0/attachment.htm ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment--
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