This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment All of us our different individuals, fulfilling our own unique = visions...except me, of course. =20 :-) JeffO ----- Original Message -----=20 From: David Love=20 To: 'College and University Technicians'=20 Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2006 7:02 PM Subject: RE: [CAUT] Differences? This discussion is definitely a slippery slope and people are = sensitive, overly in my view. It's too bad really. I don't agree with = Roger, we're not all equal-at least not in innate ability, and there are = gender differences (thankfully). How those differences manifest = themselves in terms of piano technician potential I certainly can't = answer nor would I claim that those differences are ever relevant for = any individual. But there are patterns and if your goals aren't = prejudicial, it can be interesting to observe them. The sooner we learn = to appreciate those differences rather than fall into the trap of "equal = rights means we are all the same" the better off we'll be. Of course, = IMHO. =20 David Love davidlovepianos@comcast.net=20 -----Original Message----- From: caut-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:caut-bounces@ptg.org] On Behalf Of = Jeannie Grassi Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2006 3:27 PM To: 'College and University Technicians' Subject: RE: [CAUT] Differences? Wim, Not to be confrontational....But, when you make general, sweeping = statements about how women do or don't behave, that IS being sexist!!! =20 If you were to make the same sort of generalities about a minority = group, I think you could see how that would be equally as misguided. Perhaps the observations you've made about your wife, may just have to = do with your wife and not all women, as you suggested. There are many = reasons why she may have preferred tuning. There are many reasons why = she may be mechanically challenged...one of which is that the toys and = opportunities marketed for girls offer them little in that direction. I = had no brothers and I never got to have all the "cool" toys and games = that all the boys got. (At least to me they were way cooler.) Back = then, parents thought they shouldn't cross over the gender lines with = those things. Changing diapers on baby dolls was the most mechanical = thing some of us got to do. And if you take a stroll down the aisles of = Toys R Us, you'll see that it hasn't changed all that much. =20 When young girls are encouraged to have their own tools, build things, = fix things, take things apart....they are having some of the basic = experiences that begin to develop mechanical reasoning. At least in = this area, things have begun to change. It is the attitudes of those of = us making decisions for young women that still need to change. =20 I kindly suggest to you, Wim, that you might re-examine your thinking = about such things. Step up to the 21st century. A lot of us are here! = :>) Respectfully, jeannie Jeannie Grassi, RPT mailto:jcgrassi@earthlink.net -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- From: caut-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:caut-bounces@ptg.org] On Behalf Of = Wimblees@aol.com Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2006 3:36 PM To: caut@ptg.org Subject: Re: [CAUT] Differences? In a message dated 1/20/2006 10:49:27 P.M. Central Standard Time, = jim_busby@byu.edu writes: A serious question here; I've got three daughters and a son who have = learned to do quite a bit of piano work. The girls all love to do = tedious shop work but HATE to tune. The boy loves to tune but doesn't = like shop work all that much. I just thought it was their personalities = until I started having students work here at BYU. Seems the same = applies. I don't want to come across as sexist in any way, but I want to = understand why. All the female students seem to excel more at the shop = skills, but seem to dislike tuning. It seems harder for them than the = guys. They seem to be less aggressive and more perfectionists and can = hardly stand it if they don't get it right NOW. There are other teachers = besides me so I don't think my teaching style is to be blamed. I guess = the real question is, do women (physically, mentally.) have a harder = time learning to tune?? I really want to encourage more women to take up = the trade. (Help!) Jim Busby BYU Jim Women are perfectionist, and they do have a LOT more patience than = men. Again, not to be sexist, but that is why they make good = secretaries. They catch all the mistakes their male bosses make.=20 But on the other side of that coin, 20 years ago I taught my wife to = tune. She did fine with that, but she is more or less mechanically = challenged. She does not do well using tools. So when I tried teaching = her regulation and do minor repairs, it just didn't register with her. I = think part of the reason is that she didn't do the same thing within a = couple of days. I could teach how to do one procedure, but unless she = could do it again within a week, she would forget what to do. I taught = her how to do let off on a direct blow action. But when I tried to show = her the same thing on a drop action, it didn't register with her. The = same with making repairs.=20 Wim=20 ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: https://www.moypiano.com/ptg/caut.php/attachments/e2/17/53/37/attachment.htm ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment--
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