Hi Keith Ok... lets look away from where the lever is measured for the moment and just agree however we take it, it remains a third class lever. And lets take a simple example lever and ratios for key and hammershank and do a quick calc on what happens with a 2 mm move that lengthens both arms of the whippen. Say the input arm is 100 mm and the output is 150. Say also that the hammershank has a 7.0 ratio and the key ratio is 0.5 figured at 100 mm / 200 mm The sum ratio before the 2 mm move is then 7.*0.5*150/100 = 5.25 The sum ratio after the move is then 7*0.5*152/102=5.215 Altso... a net change of 0.035 in total ratio. Not much there to go on. Remembering that taking down and up weight measurements is at best an iffy thing.... hardly in the ballpark of an exact science, I am forced to wonder about all this. True enough the changes in the arms dont exactly cancel each other out entirely, but you have to move the whippen rail quite a bit to force a significant change. So much so that the jack angle will be way out of kilter with its geometric requirements. I cant see any way you can really change the ratio much with a 2 mm move unless you either figure in (and explain) some other component, such as jack angle / force vectors (in which case our third class lever suddenly becomes a good deal more complex). Thoughts ? Cheers RicB Any gain in touchweight is a product of a reduction of friction or a gain in leverage, Both of which can happen when aligning to the lines of convergence. (Did I miss any other things?) Friction is measurable and has been eliminated so that leaves one thing. I repeat, the load arm of the wippen is to the jack center pin. The jack is only a transitory post and is not a lever. Please define what the word "jack" means in this case if it is not what I say. Keith Roberts
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