[CAUT] CAUT credential vs. academic program?

[David Ilvedson]

Another question, how many CAUT's work outside of the university in addition to their positions?   



David Ilvedson, RPT

Pacifica, CA 94044









Original message

From: "Ed Sutton"  

To: "College and University Technicians"  

Received: 11/13/2007 10:00:32 AM

Subject: Re: [CAUT] CAUT credential vs. academic program?





Jeff-



What is the point of your thread?  Do you think we're not aware of the conditions you describe?

Do you think we should not bother to try to improve things?

Things were pretty messed up when the Guild was organized.  Do you think it was worth the bother of keeping up the Guild for the last 50 years?

And how about this RPT exam so many people have worked to develop and maintain?  Just another waste of time?

Are you saying the effort to create a CAUT standard, and curriculum should be cancelled?

Do you mind if the people interested in developing the concept dedicate some of their lifetime to it?



Ed Sutton

----- Original Message ----- 

From: Jeff Tanner 

To: College and University Technicians 

Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 12:11 PM

Subject: Re: [CAUT] CAUT credential vs. academic program?





On Nov 13, 2007, at 9:18 AM, Jon Page wrote:





Bottom line for Universities is that they will pay

more only if they feel they are getting enough return.





I see that I missed a perfectly good opportunity

to stay out of this discussion but where some positions

don't even require RPT status what good are merit badges?





Raise the bar on RPT for your desired recognition. In this

association, RPT should be reclassified to Apprentice status

and after the 'tests' a Journeyman, with Craftsman as the

next step to Master Craftsman. (bring back Allied Tradesman).

If the term RPT had real teeth to it there wouldn't be a need to

even have this discussion.





It doesn't matter how many clinics or seminars you attend,

if there is no budget for salary increase those certificates are

simply wallpaper.  If the organizations thought your services

were worth more, they'd offer more. But then if no one would

accept the positions, a larger salary would be put on the table.

Supply and demand economics.





Any job opportunity has some sort of coping skills attached.

Time management and schmoozing are not marketable items

for a labor-oriented trade.





Speaking of time management...

I better pound some bridge pins in...

   

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Regards,



Jon Page









Unfortunately, Jon is absolutely correct.  We are paid what we are paid already because that is what human resources departments are finding the market to be.  That market value comes with the assumption that we are already supposed to be equipped with the large palate of skills we are trying to identify with an endorsement. 





As long as qualified piano technicians are willing to accept the current pay levels, that is all we will be worth.  And what is happening out there is that there are very qualified individuals who are accepting lower salaries because they are in unique positions of being able to live on lower incomes.  If we were to equate what is happening out there, it would be like one RPT charging half or less for tuning prices than everybody else, just because he or she doesn't require as much money to live on.





It is free market economics.  But salaries are what they are because CAUTs are too willing to lowball their worth.  It has nothing to do with qualifications or certifications or the lack thereof, and it has nothing to do with how good a concert technician we are.





Guilty as charged.  I made the mistake of taking a lower salary during the first year until my skills had been evaluated with promises of salary improvement if everyone liked my work.  Nine years later, we are finally starting to get the the salary to where it should have started.  That's my fault.  I honestly didn't know any better at the time.  But that salary improvement is not coming about because in the meantime I became an RPT.  It isn't coming about because everyone likes my work.  That was established in year one.  It is coming about because I am threatening to leave because the university job is keeping me from being able to properly provide for my family.  The amount of moonlighting I'm having to do to compensate is compromising the quality of my work at the school, and I have made no secret of that.  So far, that is all that has worked.  Flashing my RPT certificate didn't do a darned thing.  Getting rave reviews from visiting artists and comments along the lines of "I'd fly him to Oklahoma to work on my pianos," or "your pianos are better than at Eastman" had nothing to do with it.  They don't want to lose me because of the quality of work I've shown.  But I've had to be a real pain in the behind around here to get raises.  But at the same time there will be a brick wall in the process.  At some point, the dean is going to say, "no, I can get another technician for less than that."  





Because he's probably right.  Somebody else will be willing to come in here and sign up to work for half of what they're worth.





Jeff















Jeff Tanner, RPT

University of South Carolina
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