Full time. dp ____________________ David M. Porritt, RPT dporritt at smu.edu -----Original Message----- From: caut-bounces at ptg.org [mailto:caut-bounces at ptg.org] On Behalf Of David Ilvedson Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 12:45 PM To: caut at ptg.org Subject: Re: [CAUT] CAUT credential vs. academic program? Are you a part-time tech or full-time? David Ilvedson, RPT Pacifica, CA 94044 ----- Original message ---------------------------------------- From: reggaepass at aol.com To: caut at ptg.org Received: 11/14/2007 8:45:04 AM Subject: Re: [CAUT] CAUT credential vs. academic program? >Yo. >Alan Eder >-----Original Message----- >From: David Ilvedson <ilvey at sbcglobal.net> >To: caut at ptg.org >Sent: Tue, Nov 13 11:48 PM >Subject: Re: [CAUT] CAUT credential vs. academic program? > Another question, how many CAUT's work outside of the university in >addition to their positions?  >David Ilvedson, RPT >Pacifica, CA 94044 > Original message >From: "Ed Sutton" >   >To: "College and University Technicians" >   >Received: 11/13/2007 10:00:32 AM >Subject: Re: [CAUT] CAUT credential vs. academic program? > Jeff- >  > What is the point of your thread? Do you think we're not aware >of the conditions you describe? > Do you think we should not bother to try to improve things? > Things were pretty messed up when the Guild was organized. Do >you think it was worth the bother of keeping up the Guild for the last >50 years? > And how about this RPT exam so many people have worked to >develop and maintain? Just another waste of time? > Are you saying the effort to create a CAUT standard, and >curriculum should be cancelled? > Do you mind if the people interested in developing the concept >dedicate some of their lifetime to it? >  > Ed Sutton > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jeff Tanner > To: College and University Technicians > Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 12:11 PM > Subject: Re: [CAUT] CAUT credential vs. academic program? > On Nov 13, 2007, at 9:18 AM, Jon Page wrote: > Bottom line for Universities is that they will pay > more only if they feel they are getting enough >return. > I see that I missed a perfectly good opportunity > to stay out of this discussion but where some >positions > don't even require RPT status what good are merit >badges? > Raise the bar on RPT for your desired recognition. >In this > association, RPT should be reclassified to >Apprentice status > and after the 'tests' a Journeyman, with Craftsman >as the > next step to Master Craftsman. (bring back Allied >Tradesman). > If the term RPT had real teeth to it there wouldn't >be a need to > even have this discussion. > It doesn't matter how many clinics or seminars you >attend, > if there is no budget for salary increase those >certificates are > simply wallpaper. If the organizations thought >your services > were worth more, they'd offer more. But then if no >one would > accept the positions, a larger salary would be put >on the table. > Supply and demand economics. > Any job opportunity has some sort of coping skills >attached. > Time management and schmoozing are not marketable >items > for a labor-oriented trade. > Speaking of time management... > I better pound some bridge pins in... >    > -- >Regards, >Jon Page > Unfortunately, Jon is absolutely correct. We are paid what >we are paid already because that is what human resources departments >are finding the market to be. That market value comes with the >assumption that we are already supposed to be equipped with the large >palate of skills we are trying to identify with an endorsement. > As long as qualified piano technicians are willing to >accept the current pay levels, that is all we will be worth. And what >is happening out there is that there are very qualified individuals who >are accepting lower salaries because they are in unique positions of >being able to live on lower incomes. If we were to equate what is >happening out there, it would be like one RPT charging half or less for >tuning prices than everybody else, just because he or she doesn't >require as much money to live on. > It is free market economics. But salaries are what they >are because CAUTs are too willing to lowball their worth. It has >nothing to do with qualifications or certifications or the lack >thereof, and it has nothing to do with how good a concert technician we >are. > Guilty as charged. I made the mistake of taking a lower >salary during the first year until my skills had been evaluated with >promises of salary improvement if everyone liked my work. Nine years >later, we are finally starting to get the the salary to where it should >have started.  That's my fault.  I honestly didn't know any better at >the time. But that salary improvement is not coming about because in >the meantime I became an RPT. It isn't coming about because everyone >likes my work. That was established in year one. It is coming about >because I am threatening to leave because the university job is keeping >me from being able to properly provide for my family.  The amount of >moonlighting I'm having to do to compensate is compromising the quality >of my work at the school, and I have made no secret of that.  So far, >that is all that has worked.  Flashing my RPT certificate didn't do a >darned thing.  Getting rave reviews from visiting artists and comments >along the lines of "I'd fly him to Oklahoma to work on my pianos," or >"your pianos are better than at Eastman" had nothing to do with it. > They don't want to lose me because of the quality of work I've shown. > But I've had to be a real pain in the behind around here to get >raises.  But at the same time there will be a brick wall in the >process. At some point, the dean is going to say, "no, I can get >another technician for less than that."  > Because he's probably right. Somebody else will be >willing to come in here and sign up to work for half of what they're >worth. > Jeff > Jeff Tanner, RPT > University of South Carolina >___________________________________________________________________ >_____ >Email and AIM finally together. 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