Dear David~ You wrote: >Meanwhile, he should be treated the same as anyone else on these lists... >subjected to the same abuse as anyone else, criticized for his writing style > and overuse of emoticons, same as anyone else. Thank you for trying to make me feel at home, but I really only asked to be a guest! I really don't require any special treatment... unlike family members... >if his participation on this list is to be predicated upon his active membership in PTG, >I suspect someone is going to have to comb through Phil's numbers : >CAUT - 377 Pianotech - 876 and begin pressing them to join as well. Maybe Phil? Poor Phil, don't you think he has done enough already? He already came up with one number for you: (65). Goodness knows how long that took him. C'mon, let up on the guy and stop volunteering him for new assignments at your every whim. THAT's the REAL problem with this organization! ;-). As far as the "turmoil", I apologize. It really was never my intention to create a firestorm. I really just wanted to know about tuning pins. Honest. (Well, and maybe get to know a few people better...) I perceive it is usually the new guest or the visitor in the house who inadvertantly stumbles over the "elephant in the room," and brings it, to his chagrin, to everyone's attention, simply because he doesn't understand that it's neither supposed to be there, nor noticed. I take full responsibility... please don't anyone give up their vacation time on account of me... let's be "sensible" as David puts it.... I am truly sorry. Please, continue where you left off when I entered. Let's everyone try and forget everything I said, okay? --And that Karen said too, while you're at it. --And, I guess, what several other people said as well. ;-) ) (By the way, I am not a non-ex-member. (-I thought I made that clear). Being a non-ex-member would make me a member, in my book. Watch your double negatives.) >I can't help thinking that for Kendall, or others with similar experiences, >to overcome a history of ill-feelings to become part of the organization would be akin to, >after years of casting aspersion on the skills (and more) of the average New Jersey driver, >me moving there and having to display NJ plates on my car. I would be becoming the very >daemon I created. Excellent analogy, and very eloquent, David. I truly believe you grasped the concept. (~Except in this case I don't believe that I created it. That's giving me far too much credit.) >Personally, I think Kendall would have the easier challenge. (Personally, David, yes, I believe you're correct. It would be much easier for me to drive with New Jersey plates. -KRB) Affectionately~ Kendall Ross Bean PianoFinders www.pianofinders.com <http://www.pianofinders.com/> e-mail: kenbean at pianofinders.com Connecting Pianos and People _____ From: David Skolnik [mailto:davidskolnik at optonline.net] Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2008 5:47 AM To: College and University Technicians Subject: Re: [CAUT] Requirements for contributing - Time to chill? Dear list, Kendall & Karen - It may be time to step back, before people feel compelled to cancel their vacations, just to stay tuned to this. The thread has already split, under the same subject. - maligning and defending Pianotech - the mission of the PTG and its process - the relationship between PTG & non-PTG world - Kendall's specific history - Kendall's contribution - other Chris suggested - presumably that's all he can do - that this discussion is more appropriately had on ptg-l, with which I agree...except for a few things. First, in theory, Kendall can't participate, as a non-ex-member, though Karen, I believe could. Perhaps a waiver could be granted. Second, I'm not sure that even ptg-l is an appropriate venue, for a few reasons, but, given that less than a full week ago, Kendall simply asked a question, and in that time has managed to generate this much turmoil means either that, to misquote Chris, 'we know how dangerous he is', or else we should recognize the potential of his contribution (to the general discussion) and allow him the 'guest' status he requested. A place should be found for the on going consideration of the issues that have been raised, but if his participation on this list is to be predicated upon his active membership in PTG, I suspect someone is going to have to comb through Phil's numbers : CAUT - 377 Pianotech - 876 and begin pressing them to join as well. Maybe Phil? I'm not saying Kendall is correct in his position. I just don't think it's simple. If it were, the organization wouldn't still be wrestling with these issues after this many years. Meanwhile, he should be treated the same as anyone else on these lists...subjected to the same abuse as anyone else, criticized for his writing style and overuse of emoticons, same as anyone else. Ed's suggestions, while not particularly glamorous, are probably the most sensible way to deal with Kendall's specific issue, but I can't help thinking that for Kendall, or others with similar experiences, to overcome a history of ill-feelings to become part of the organization would be akin to, after years of casting aspersion on the skills (and more) of the average New Jersey driver, me moving there and having to display NJ plates on my car. I would be becoming the very daemon I created. Personally, I think Kendall would have the easier challenge. I'm not sure I'm ready for what comes next. 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