We certainly want "consistency." Electronic keyboards do that. Joy! Elwood Elwood Doss, Jr., M.M.E., RPT Piano Technician/Technical Director Department of Music 145 Fine Arts Building The University of Tennessee at Martin Martin, TN 38238 731/881-1852 FAX: 731/881-7415 HOME: 731/587-5700 -----Original Message----- From: caut-bounces at ptg.org [mailto:caut-bounces at ptg.org] On Behalf Of David Ilvedson Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2008 11:01 AM To: caut at ptg.org Subject: Re: [CAUT] electronic tuning device preference? an Aural tuner has the ability >to colour a tuning in a fashion not attainable by an ETD tuning. I >would go so far as to say that unless the final pass is tweaked >strictly by ear... an ETD tuning has no chance of such coloring." I submit the aural tuner will add colour everytime with inconsistency...;-] David Ilvedson, RPT Pacifica, CA 94044 ----- Original message ---------------------------------------- From: ricb at pianostemmer.no To: caut at ptg.org Received: 3/15/2008 12:44:23 AM Subject: [CAUT] electronic tuning device preference? >Hi >I see we are on another one of these ETD vs Aural tuning debates >again and have the following seemingly obvious but for some reason >nearly always overlooked basic truths. >First, an ETD tuning and a aural tuning are executed with different >tuning priorites as their basis. No mater what the marketing hype >says, the ETD (except verituner) does not compare intervals note for >note during the tuning and has therefor no direct way whatsoever of >insuring any particular relationship between various coincidents for >all the various intervals used by any particular aural tuner. Even >the verituner has its own tuning algorithm and will result in a >tuning all its own. The ETD is by definition of its own tuning >algorithm bound to yeild a different end tuning then an aural tuner >just as one aural tuner will vary from another. >Secondly... as to comments that go along the lines of whether an ETD >tuning is good enough. The simple fact that they are accepted if not >in many many cases welcomed by artists should answer this question >adequately enough I think. There seems to be some hint of an >argumentation which sees the ETD's consistancy as a negative to some >degree... if so this is a pretty odd tact to take since consistancy >is something all aural tuners strive for. >All this said again... An ETD tuning is not a creative endeavour in >any sense of the word. If you are simply following the dials.. ie >the ETD's <<programed tuning>> then at very best your imput is so >minimal as so essentially constitute a negligible effect on the end >tuning. For what ever it is worth... an Aural tuner has the ability >to colour a tuning in a fashion not attainable by an ETD tuning. I >would go so far as to say that unless the final pass is tweaked >strictly by ear... an ETD tuning has no chance of such coloring. >As to whether or not any aural tweaking constitutes an inherently >better tuning or not... if the public rejects ETD tunings.. then they >do and if they dont they dont... thats about as objective a measure >as is possible. The rest of it falls into the purely subjective and >is about as valid as saying that Franz Mohrs tunings are inherently >better then Georges Ammanns tunings... or the oposite. At some point >one gets past comparitives that deal in objective concepts like ><<better>> or <<worse>> and are forced to set these aside and deal >with pure and simple differences one either chooses to like or >dislike onself... personally. >Cheers >RicB
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