[CAUT] damper return noise/una corda

[Zeno Wood]

Yes, please describe, I have little experience with this make.  Does one get
these sort of sounds while slowly releasing the dampers, u.c. or not, on a
Bosendorfer?

Signed,
Curious


On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 8:08 AM, Greg Newell <gnewell at ameritech.net> wrote:

>  Joe,
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>                 I’m not familiar with this effect even though I own one.
> Could you please describe?
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> Greg Newell
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> *From:* caut-bounces at ptg.org [mailto:caut-bounces at ptg.org] *On Behalf Of *Joe
> Goss
> *Sent:* Friday, May 07, 2010 12:13 AM
> *To:* caut at ptg.org
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> *Subject:* Re: [CAUT] damper return noise/una corda
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>
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> Sort of like the Bosendorfer effect?
>
> Joe Goss BSMusEd MMusEd RPT
> imatunr at srvinet.com
> www.mothergoosetools.com
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>  ----- Original Message -----
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> *From:* Zeno Wood <zeno.wood at gmail.com>
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> *To:* caut at ptg.org
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> *Sent:* Thursday, May 06, 2010 11:33 AM
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> *Subject:* Re: [CAUT] damper return noise/una corda
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>
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> Hi Fred,
>
> I remember hearing Ed McMorrow's take on this.  When the hammer strikes the
> two strings, the third string is out of phase, which causes noise on a slow
> damper release.  However, his solution was to tell the pianist not to do
> it.  FWIW.  YMMV.  Etc.
>
> Regards,
> Zeno Wood
>
>  On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 1:09 PM, Fred Sturm <fssturm at unm.edu> wrote:
>
>        There has been discussion in the past on this list of the problem of
> damper return noise when playing with una corda. This problem has really
> been bugging me more and more. The issue is that the dampers work fine with
> next to no return noise except when the una corda pedal is used. But when
> the u c is used, there is considerable, often very audible return noise, and
> it happens when someone is trying to play very softly so is doubly annoying,
> essentially in areas where there are trichord damper felts. I have tried
> lots of things, the most promising of which is to tilt the dampers very
> subtly so that flats hit the strings slightly ahead of trichords, and this
> helps but doesn't eliminate the problem. Different damper felt doesn't seem
> to help, though I can't say I have tried everything (haven't tried Yamaha or
> Kawai, for instance).
>        I am at a loss what to do to avoid this other than to change hammer
> alignment and shift parameters so that all strings are always struck by all
> hammers. I am beginning to suspect this may be a major reason why the
> Steinway basement guys decided to make that change to their standard
> procedure. While I like to have the two string tonal palette available, the
> tradeoff of that return noise seems to wipe out the advantage.
>        Does anyone else have thoughts on how to resolve this issue?
> Regards,
> Fred Sturm
> fssturm at unm.edu
> http://www.createculture.org/profile/FredSturm
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