[CAUT] Pure Sound Wire

[Kidwell, Ted W]

Thanks Jim,

That helps a lot. I have two S&S Bs, one from the mid 50s and one from the mid 70s, that have tubby lower tenors. I will be very interested to see what effect changing to Pure Sound wire will have. From what you say it may result in LESS of a tonal change than I presently have.

Ted Kidwell, RPT
California State University, Sacramento
Capistrano Hall, rm. 153
6000 J Street
Sacramento, CA 95819-6015
916.278.6737
 
 


-----Original Message-----
From: caut-bounces at ptg.org [mailto:caut-bounces at ptg.org] On Behalf Of Jim Busby
Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 3:38 PM
To: caut at ptg.org
Subject: Re: [CAUT] Pure Sound Wire

Hi Ted,

NO! Not only is it unnecessary, it is damaging. Don't lift, tap, etc. It will bend all on its own. This was a "plus" for me. No wasted time doing all that!

There is a tone change, but you'd be very hard pressed to detect it. It's not "night and day". I know this doesn't make sense, because on the one hand I say it sounds better, yet I say there's not much difference. It's more like voicing; you can hear each note sounding a bit different, and by voicing you can even it out here too. The real differences occur in the upper partials, which are harder to hear.

Hope that helps.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: caut-bounces at ptg.org [mailto:caut-bounces at ptg.org] On Behalf Of Kidwell, Ted W
Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 4:26 PM
To: caut at ptg.org
Subject: Re: [CAUT] Pure Sound Wire

>From what is being said about Pure Sound wire it sounds like one should be careful with string lifting? Is it necessary with this wire? 

Also, if it is only used in the lower tenor, is there a tonal change at the transition to regular steel wire?

Ted Kidwell, RPT
California State University, Sacramento
Capistrano Hall, rm. 153
6000 J Street
Sacramento, CA 95819-6015
916.278.6737
 
 


-----Original Message-----
From: caut-bounces at ptg.org [mailto:caut-bounces at ptg.org] On Behalf Of Jim Busby
Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 3:18 PM
To: caut at ptg.org
Subject: Re: [CAUT] Pure Sound Wire

Hi Peter,

Another thought your post reminded me of; Juan spent a week with me a couple of years ago. Delightful fellow! One thing I noticed is that when he plays, he plays very softly. Never beyond what I would consider a mf or maybe a softer f. He owns an Erard (vastly different than a D), and when he heard us playing loudly he cringed. This might give us some insight into why he doesn't break strings. I think he's not used to the demands in U.S. CAUT work, in a "who can play the most impressive fffff" environment. Maybe those shops in Europe that are buying his wire have clients with tastes like Juan?

Best,
Jim



-----Original Message-----
From: caut-bounces at ptg.org [mailto:caut-bounces at ptg.org] On Behalf Of Peter Sumner
Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 4:03 PM
To: caut at ptg.org
Subject: Re: [CAUT] Pure Sound Wire

Thanks Jim...
I'm all in favor of raising the bar in all aspects of this profession....
Seems that the institutional techs have done the R & D for the manufacturer...

>From what I understand, this wire would be great for 19c instruments...I can imagine that an Erard Grand will relax and sing with this wire....

An idle thought....For those areas that have enough moisture to make the strings rusty, I'm thinking that the rust will be the thin end of a big wedge of other issues including lack of tone and tight actions...Is it not possible to treat the problem of the moisture at source...?
P
On May 10, 2010, at 2:54 PM, Jim Busby wrote:

> Hi Peter,
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> This is why I did... Juan came to two different conventions with a very impressive presentation about the wire. Imagine--- No more rust! Better sound! Immediately stable! (no extra tunings & prep needed), Measurably less inharmonicity! Tried it... Loved it, then the breakage started... 
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> I hope someday someone will make it work. 
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> Jim
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: caut-bounces at ptg.org [mailto:caut-bounces at ptg.org] On Behalf Of Peter Sumner
> Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 9:38 AM
> To: caut at ptg.org
> Subject: Re: [CAUT] Pure Sound Wire
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> I guess I'm wondering why folks are experimenting?
> Isn't it the responsibility of technicians to follow established working procedures....?...especially in an institution where budgets are limited, the work load horrendous and where enthusiasm sometimes trumps technical abilities.
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> Mapes produce music wire for all kinds of applications including most of the guitar strings sold in various coloured packets and brands.
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> What is wrong with restringing with the wire the factory used in the first place...?
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> A fundamental question may be this...
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> Do Institutional Techs feel that their work place is a laboratory?....
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> Forgive my naivety here....I am merely a tech on the road, without a shop and a budget...doing occasional Institutional work when I'm asked for advice or to help out in some way.....
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> I'm sure someone here can straighten me out....?
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> New kid on the block Peter Sumner
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