[CAUT] CAUT proposal

Israel Stein custos3 at comcast.net
Fri May 14 20:21:42 MDT 2010


Hello all,

Since the list insists on continuing to discuss PTG political matters on 
this list (including some Board members) let me clear the air.

The By-laws committee has recommended rejection of this proposal mainly 
because it is incomplete. It is a bunch of words on paper, but does not 
present any sort of proof that the CAUT committee either has the 
resources or the personnel to pull off this sort of an ambitious 
program. Council is essentially being asked to authorize the issuance of 
a credential by the PTG based on a bunch of promises. Among the things 
missing in the proposal are:

1. Any estimate of costs to the PTG
2. Any estimate of costs to individual participants
3. Any notion of available resources in terms of teachers
4. Any notion of qualifications for instructors and examiners
5. Any market research showing that there is sufficient interest on the 
part of the membership for such a program (given the costs involved). 
Fred Sturm's personal belief that there is such a market is insufficient 
reason for Council to commit the PTG to such an ambitious undertaking.
6. Any notion of what the exams are going to be like. Giving the 
committee a blank check to issue credentials or endorsements without any 
idea as to how they will be earned is not a good idea - something about 
pigs in pokes...
7. Any explanation of what the goals of this proposal are, whom it's 
aimed at  and how it would benefit the PTG and its members.

As far as item 7 is concerned - you see the proponents of this proposal 
disagreeing among themselves as to what they are after. If a proposal 
cannot provide to Council a clear set of goals - it is not ready for 
serious consideration. It seems that some of the things these people are 
after are quite different than was initially discussed by the framers of 
the proposal - so how do you expect Council to approve a proposal if you 
cannot provide a set of clearly stated goals?

In my two stints on the By-laws committee, I have never seen any 
proposal presented with no explanation or statement of goals whatsoever 
- no matter how small or simple. Yet twice the CAUT committee has sent 
this complex proposal to by-laws with no such explanation.

Both time the proposal was submitted right on the deadline - and the 
time frame being so tight, we had time to discuss and fix a few issues 
with the by-laws text (basically to clarify the proposal as it is) - and 
the time ran out before we could get to any more substantive issues, 
such as those listed above. So Jim Bryant is essentially right - this is 
the same proposal as last year, with some clarifications of text, but no 
substantive changes. I give credit to the CAUT committee for its 
cooperation and understanding in effecting those changes, but it was too 
little , too late.

Jim Bryant is correct about another item. Had the CAUT Committee 
submitted quarterly proposals ass it was supposed to, many issues could 
have been discussed and resolved through the course of the year. Leaving 
it all to the last possible moment is what created the present situation 
- we ran out of time before we could deal with anything substantive. 
Some of these issues didn't even emerge in by-laws until a few days 
before our submission deadline.

So, if we ignore the polemics being engaged in by one of the proposal's 
supporters (and I say quite frankly that with friends like this, the 
proposal needs no enemies) here is the conclusion of the By-laws 
committee report:

"New credentials and endorsements should not be authorized by Council, 
nor should PTG resources be committed to an ambitious and 
labor-intensive program on the basis of plans and promises alone.  
Ambitious plans tend to get scaled down in the face of cold, hard 
reality, and premature approval could result in a program far inferior 
to that "sold" to Council. Council should encourage further work on this 
project -- but it should not enshrine it in the PTG bylaws until it is 
presented with the sort of evidence of the project's viability suggested 
above.

*Bylaws committee also recommends *that Council consider passing a 
resolution, based on the above comments, encouraging further development 
of this proposal, instructing the CAUT committee that no proposal in 
this area is to be presented for Council consideration without adequate 
supporting materials, and listing such supporting materials."

So, if  Council does not kill this proposal outright and the proposal is 
sent back to the committee, a resolution will be presented to Council 
for approval, instructing the CAUT committee (or whoever takes on this 
idea next) not to bother it with any more by-laws revision proposals 
until they do their homework on the practical aspects of their proposal 
and present such supporting materials as listed above (and implement 
some other a bit more complex preliminary steps listed in the By-laws 
committee report.)

Because what is being requested now is a blank-check approval for 
anything that the CAUT committee might concoct later in terms of exams, 
examiners, instructors, etc.

The assessment of the by-laws committee basically that this proposal is 
not ready for serious consideration, since so many practical issues have 
not been dealt with. And seeing the direction taken by the discussion on 
this list tells me that the haven't even decided what it is they want to 
accomplish - one more reason not to approve it at this time.

So, have fun discussing all the various ideas - this is very healthy and 
useful. Just please don't expect Council to approve this at this time - 
it isn't close to being ready for approval or implementation. It might 
be time of the PTG and its members to consider a very radical notion - 
these sort of issues should be thoroughly and widely discussed and 
somewhat settled BEFORE all kinds of time and effort is sunk into 
writing by-laws amendments - not after...

Israel Stein

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