[CAUT] NY hammers/ Hamberg hammers

Horace Greeley hgreeley at sonic.net
Fri Feb 11 16:51:39 MST 2011


Hi, Brent,

While absolutely agreeing with your other points, I think the most 
important note here is the last sentence, which bears repeating:

"Solution, if it isn't structural just get another NY set and stay 
with NY so your reputation can never be second guessed by a Steinway 
processed artist."

...to which I would add:  "...Steinway processed technician...".

There's been plenty of sound advice on this thread.  What remains to 
be seen is how it is interpreted and implemented.

Best.

Horace



At 12:50 PM 2/11/2011, you wrote:
>Hi Kevin,
>
>     It's impossible to extrapolate the root cause of Mr. William's hammer
>problem without a structural analysis.  Must remember that these
>forced-crowned boards don't last more than fifteen years for C at A
>applications. Ten millimeters of crown out of the piano, five at clamping
>pressure, and 2.5 strung up.  I'd wonder if it was crowned in July 
>or December?
>The factory isn't exactly tight and it matters.  What about the 
>plate? Read what
>Overs has to say about sand cast specifications. As far as Hamburg
>hammers, you will fight serious weight issues in the bass, although NY
>gets it really close now, Hamburg doesn't screw up geometry ever, as far
>as I know, and they're gonna be heavier. In addition, their bass strings
>have different specs than NY, the ribs are crowned, and their treble hammers
>have a serious lack of under-felt but seem to sound pretty good with 
>that board.
>Solution, if it isn't structural just get another NY set and stay with NY
>so your reputation can never be second guessed by a Steinway processed artist.
>
>Brent
>
>--- On Fri, 2/11/11, Fortenberry, Kevin <kevin.fortenberry at ttu.edu> wrote:
>
>From: Fortenberry, Kevin <kevin.fortenberry at ttu.edu>
>Subject: Re: [CAUT] NY hammers/ Hamberg hammers
>To: "caut at ptg.org" <caut at ptg.org>
>Date: Friday, February 11, 2011, 11:04 AM
>
>Paul, not only do I feel your pain, but the timing of this 
>discussion is rather good. I am faced with this very decision on 
>several pianos. I am, like you, interested in experimenting with the 
>NY hammers, but we are facing budget cuts/time deadlines, etc. I 
>really wish it were possible to just order the Hamburg hammers. I 
>have heard from several sources that they are fabulous!  I spoke 
>with another technician friend at a rather large University and he 
>says that it IS possible to order them, but even he admitted it is 
>hard to do. (Anyone have any idea on this?  Kent?) He says they are 
>a denser felt than the Renner Blues, but do behave and voice very 
>similarly to the blues. Almost every piano here at Texas Tech 
>(except the few newer pianos we have) has Renner Blues (all 3 of our 
>D-s included) which are great, but of course are fairly high 
>maintenance and just do not seem to last all that long.  I love the 
>idea of the Hamburgs since they are "Steinway Hammers" which 
>satisfies those who want to stick with Steinway parts, and those of 
>us with limited time, and very limited $$$ don't have to experiment 
>endless hours with lacquer/lacquer thinner fumes, paint masks that 
>do not allow lacquer fumes to be breathed right into the lungs, etc. 
>etc.  Don't get me wrong, I love our Steinways!  I am gun-ho about 
>Steinways--probably to a fault, but someone please tell why we 
>cannot just pick up the phone and order Hamberg hammers!  In the 
>meantime, I will see what you discover with these hammers, try some 
>experimenting (thanks Fred for all the help with this!), and maybe 
>try those Abel Naturals everyone keeps raving when possible.  I have 
>also heard the new Steinway shaped hammers from Renner are 
>challenging to voice--but I have only talked to one rebuilder who 
>had to file deeply to get any real tone.  This could be wrong--are 
>these anything like the Hamgergs, also made my Renner??
>
>Best to all, Kevin Fortenberry
>
>
>
>
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>    1. Re: Bum set of NY hammers, I'm afraid (Fred Sturm)
>    2. Re: Bum set of NY hammers, I'm afraid (David Love)
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>
>This set is lackluster from the bottom to the top.  Perhaps they sent me a
>non-prelacquered set.  I kept the old hammers and shanks, so I might switch
>them out, bring the new set to the shop and soak the crap out them with a
>4:1 mix.  I guess I have nothing to lose and education to gain from this.
>
>This is my first set of NY Hammers.  I've been using Wallys Naturals for
>years.  Maybe I shouldn't have messed around in a new world.  I would have
>put on another set of Abels, but the piano dept head insisted on Steinway
>hammers as he's a "Steinway Concert Artist".  I perhaps shouldn't have said
>anything, eh?  and just used what I know how to use.
>
>What's to expect from Hamburg hammers?  Never used those either.
>
>Keep em coming.  Thanks guys!
>
>Paul
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