Before I comment let me just clarify that anything I say about "redesigns" are referring to my own pianos and not Nossaman's since I've never heard one and wouldn't presume to comment on them. But I am aware that I have followed similar protocols on many of my own pianos, though not on any D's. I do think that this conversation is slipping back and forth between large hall performance pianos and other pianos and that can be confusing as the requirements, as many have mentioned, can be quite different. On the redesigns that I have done the extended range is definitely at the pianissimo end. I just tuned one of mine today, Model O, full wrap around bass cut-off, treble fish, 60 degree grain angle, bass float, very light radial rib scale, duplex gone, transition, yada, yada, yada. The piano has Ronsen Bacon Felt hammers on it and there is not one ounce of lacquer in those hammers and there doesn't need to be and, in fact, shouldn't be, I don't think it would work well. The piano can be played loud (though not bright and not with a sharp attack), and the pianissimo can be played down to a whisper. The customer loves it. But if the ideas incorporated on this particular instrument were extended to a concert instrument there would be something missing. It's a question that I've asked about these for awhile: what do you do if you need that upper end brilliance, sharp percussive attack, really varied timbre that goes along with that for all the reasons that Fred mentioned in his previous post. You have a hard time getting it, at least I have, without it becoming something ugly. Fred's comment about cold pressed hammers is very germane here because these designs want for cold pressed and pretty unadulterated hammers. With a light rib scale (which they tend to get) that's all you need. But the consistency of the hammer which matches well the requirements of the belly also then limits that sharp accent that brings with it the development of dominant upper partials that give the piano the cut that it needs etc., (Fred described it better than I can). I think one has to recognize the limits of these designs no less than one has to recognize the limits of concerto piano to be appealing to someone who wants an extended pianissimo range. It's not just audience versus performer, it's more complicated than that even. It's always performer first because they have to play it and they have to have some confidence that what they wish to communicate will get through. It's audience, repertoire and venue second, I think, because that's at the forefront of the psychology of the performer. But it's always the performer first whether that's in a concert hall or a living room. The concert hall has other challenges, solo, chamber, concerto, types of music, that make it impossible for one piano to suit everyone or every performance. But if you only have one piano then you have to give the piano the best chance to appeal to the broadest repertoire and let the pianists adapt from there. That argues for something that has the ability to project and cut through when needed. If you have the luxury of several pianos, then one would be smart to choose a broader range. Undoubtedly through force of habit and comfort level more pianists will gravitate toward a particular style instrument (probably) but that doesn't diminish the value of a broader range of choices, the need to recognize what that broader range should represent or the contribution of each. David Love www.davidlovepianos.com -----Original Message----- From: caut-bounces at ptg.org [mailto:caut-bounces at ptg.org] On Behalf Of Ron Nossaman Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2011 7:37 PM To: caut at ptg.org Subject: Re: [CAUT] Should performers rule? (Was Lacquered hammers) On 2/22/2011 8:53 PM, Fred Sturm wrote: >That fits the comment that Ron N made about customers > saying the piano made them sound better than they were: They are > protected from making harsh and strident sounds at the top of the > spectrum, and because they don't have a lot of control and generally use > too much force, they sound better. No. None of the people I've heard the comment from were pounding on the piano. Their comment, according to them, had more to do with control throughout the dynamic range, particularly the pianissimo. Ron N
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