[CAUT] New List versus Old List RE: [pianotech] pianotech Digest, Vol 29, Issue 48

[Dale Erwin]

Dude. yer funny. (add Texas drawl here).:)
 

 

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-----Original Message-----
From: Ward & Probst, Inc <wardprobst at wardprobst.com>
To: caut at ptg.org
Sent: Thu, Mar 10, 2011 10:46 am
Subject: Re: [CAUT] New List versus Old List RE: [pianotech] pianotech Digest, Vol 29, Issue 48


<<What I have learned here shortened my learning curve and provided the courage to go where no Dale has gone before.:) >>
 
Nope, I'm just far enough ahead that you can't see my back side 
 
8~}
The Real Deal
 

Dale Probst RPT
Registered Piano Technician
Ward & Probst, Inc.
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dale at wardprobst.com
 



  
  
-----Original Message-----
From: caut-bounces at ptg.org   [mailto:caut-bounces at ptg.org] On Behalf Of Dale Erwin
Sent:   Thursday, March 10, 2011 9:34 AM
To: caut at ptg.org
Subject:   Re: [CAUT] New List versus Old List RE: [pianotech] pianotech Digest, Vol 29,   Issue 48


   David, Keith Israel and   all.
  I want to say that 10 years ago I thought I would join the list   because I might have something to contribute.  What I got was nothing   short of an education by the collective experience of a group that rivals the   educational opportunity of many conventions combined as well as the privileged   to join in the discussion.
 I want to say this clearly....IT HAS   CHANGED MY LIFE.  What I have learned here shortened my learning   curve and provided the courage to go where no Dale has gone before.:)   
  PTG exist because the members support it financially and with their   time. It is one of the strengths and weakness of such an organization. For   example...It is a risk to teach, wondering how the class will be received, or   if anyone will show up. Wondering if aaaall the efforts you made to get the   class up to speed and running will pay off. If few show up or worse if the   feedback is not positive after the event, then the countenance will fall.   AMHIK. No one came along side and said there there better luck next time.   Here's a check for all you pain and suffering. But I was asked to teach and I   did. As the man says "ya pay yo money and yya take yer chances son". No doubt   Alan was asked to help and he did.  THANK YOU ALAN G. and all that run   the list.
 Perhaps the only mistep in the entire format change as I   read thru these post was not giving some forewarning so there was adequate   discussion. David, you've got it right here in so many   ways.
 
 Israel is angry because his friend is being hurt   inadvertently and I assure you no one is that malicious here.
  Dale   E.


 David wrote

  
The   PTG operates primarily as a source of education and support for its members   and a running dialogue in real time, an open forum, where ideas are easily   posted and discussed and where the format lends itself to tangential   discussions that often lead in unpredictable but productive directions    is a considerable part of that ongoing education.  It doesn’t   exist as easily or in the same way outside of this format. Whether you   personally consider the list a valuable form of the ongoing education cycle I   don’t know.  But I do and so do a lot of others.  
  
 
  
With   respect to Allen and those who made great efforts to bring this new site   online, nobody is disparaging them and I for one am truly sorry if anything I   said was taken that way by them or anyone else.      
  


  
Dale S.   Erwin
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-----Original   Message-----
From: David Love <davidlovepianos at comcast.net>
To:   pianotech at ptg.org; caut at ptg.org
Sent: Wed, Mar 9, 2011 9:52 pm
Subject:   [CAUT] New List versus Old List RE: [pianotech] pianotech Digest, Vol 29,   Issue 48

  
    
  
Israel:
  
 
  
Here’s   the problem I have with your post.  While I understand that the PTG does   not exist for the list, the contributions of those on the list are not small   and their generosity should be respected and appreciated in spite of the   quirks of some of their communications styles and in spite of some of the   useless, antagonistic  and redundant threads.  It’s part of what   happens in dialogue.  Some of the posts themselves are used for PTJ   sections and are an integral part of that publication.  But more than   that the list represents an attitude that many technicians have of giving   back.  While the list provides an opportunity for people to learn from   others it only does so out of the generosity and willingness of technicians   (around the world in this case) to share their thoughts and ideas, techniques,   tools and tips.  It’s no small thing and the trade benefits enormously   from that generosity.  To imply that it is mostly the list members who   owe something to the PTG for providing them a “chatty” forum is to disrespect   the efforts that they make to offer their collective wisdom.  It is as if   to say, thank you for your generosity and now if you want to keep giving you   will have to pay for your generosity.   How much more effort should   I have to make to offer what I know out of nothing more than my own commitment   to the betterment of the trade and to help others who are trying to   learn.  Respectfully, I think you have it backwards.    

  
Great   efforts on a bad idea are still great efforts and can be applauded.  But   they don’t make the idea any better.  And while we may very well disagree   on the merits of the idea, I would hope that people (including those who made   the great efforts) could keep those things separate.       
  
 
  
 
  
  
David   Love
  
www.davidlovepianos.com



 
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