Hi Less +ACY- all, Does Winter +ACY- Co also fit in the Chickering catagory? I have met two 1940 Winter grands(?) that made to this side of the Atlantic. One I sentenced to death by telling the whole truth when the owner wanted the POJ (piece of junk) to be rebuild. The other I have to tune once a year until the old lady dies, then I'll her heirs the truth. Michiel van Loon mvanloon+AEA-xs4all.nl Meppel Nederland -----Original Message----- From: Les Smith +ADw-lessmith+AEA-buffnet.net+AD4- To: pianotech+AEA-ptg.org +ADw-pianotech+AEA-ptg.org+AD4- Date: Saturday, August 22, 1998 6:13 PM Subject: Re: Chickering rebuild (long) +AD4- +AD4- +AD4-On Sat, 15 Aug 1998, Leslie W Bartlett wrote: +AD4- +AD4APg- Now another question, regarding a 1970 or so Chickering grand. +AD4APg- Badly needs regulation, and probably could use some hammer juicing. But +AD4APg- is it worth a rebuild?? In this question, consider the owner has two +AD4APg- graduate degrees in music, one of them in keyboard. She got it as a high +AD4APg- school grad. gift. But it doesn't give her much satisfaction these days. +AD4APg- I think regulation will help a lot, but the piano itself isn't very +AD4APg- powerful and sustain is quite poor. +AD4APg- What would you tell her?????????/ +AD4- +AD4-How about the truth? +AD4- +AD4-The fact is that a 1970's Chickering piano was a piece of junkola, +AD4-pure and simple. And the same can be said of 1960, 1950, 1940, and 1930 +AD4-Chickerings as well. By no stretch of the imagination were any of these +AD4-instruments +ACI-performance pianos+ACI- which could in any way be compared +AD4-with the likes of a Steinway, for example. No way. Further, 1920 and +AD4-earlier American Piano Company Chickerings were not much better- they +AD4-are remembered because many were outfitted with the APC's outstand- +AD4-ing reproducing player system, the AMPICO, certainly NOT because of the +AD4-quality of the Chickering piano, itself, which--like its other APC +AD4-stablemates--underwent huge, quality-diminishing changes when it ceased +AD4-to be a product of the Chickering family, itself, and instead became a +AD4-part of the purely-profit-motivated APC corporate empire. Fortunately for +AD4-true Ampico afficionados, a few Steinway pianos were custom-outfitted +AD4-with the Ampico player mechanism and a very few competently-restored +AD4-ones exist today to remind us of how that truly outstanding reproducing +AD4-player could sound when placed in an equally-outstanding piano, too-- +AD4-namely the Steinway. It certainly wasn't the APC Chickering. +AD4- +AD4-Pianotech was originally conceived and implemented by BYU. Its first +AD4-administrator was a gentleman called Jack Reeves. Over the years of +AD4-its existence, questions concerning Chickering's quality, value and ap- +AD4-parently vastly over-stated and totally-undeserved reputation have +AD4-regularly appeared in this forum. By and large these Chickering-oriented +AD4-questions go unsatisfactorily answered, or sometimes are just ignored +AD4-altogether. Part of the problem lies wih the fact that these valuations +AD4-and impressions are based upon either 20th century Chickerings, or else +AD4-earlier ones which by now are either totally worn out and unplayable and +AD4-therefor bear no relationship to their original selves, or, if +ACI-rebuilt+ACI-, +AD4-have been the result of careless, indifferent and/or budget-minded work. +AD4-At any rate the end result is the same--these +ACI-Chickerings+ACI- are such in +AD4-name only. The true Chickering still remains an enigma--unseen, unheard, +AD4-and virtually forgotten today. That is indeed a shame. The Chickering +AD4-piano played such an important part in the history of the American Piano +AD4-that it deserves a better fate. Much better. +AD4- +AD4- The Chickering piano, the one upon which its once-formidable reputation +AD4-was originally founded, was a product of the 19th century and ceased +AD4-production almost a century ago. These piano are no more and haven't been +AD4-for a long time. The most common criticism of these long-ago Chickerings +AD4-is that they were +ACI-over-engineered+ACI-. Modern technicians are quick to +AD4-criticize their multiple part pinblocks, their now-enigmatic and ap- +AD4-parently overly-complicated +ACI-screw-in+ACI- type damper system, their many in- +AD4-dividually tied strings, their original board and bridges+ADs- their archaic +AD4-stringing scale and--above all--their very heavily weighted, non-neophyte- +AD4-friendly actions which are couple with extremely soft hammers. The upshot +AD4-is that such technicians frequently recommend wholesale changes when re- +AD4-building a Chickering grand-- for example, completely throwing out and +AD4-replacing the original board and bridges, the stringing scale, the com- +AD4-plete damper system and the entire keyboard, action and hammer assembly +AD4-in the belief that so doing will be an vast +ACI-improvement+ACI- over the +AD4-original. Perhaps, but you are deluding both yourself and your customer +AD4-big-time if you believe that after so doing you still have a +AD4-Chickering piano. You don't. No way. +AD4- +AD4-Such an approach to +ACI-rebuilding+ACI- a Chickering misses the point entirely. +AD4-The one thing above all others which originally made a 19th century Chick- +AD4-ering a true Chickering was its deep, dark, distinctive and immediately- +AD4-recognizable voice and quality of tone which was composed of more +AD4-fundamental, more lower-partials and fewer higher partials than anything +AD4-else found in the world of pianodom. This distinctive Chickering quality +AD4-of tone was specifically evoked by that now-misunderstood combination of +AD4-coupling its very-heavily-weighted action with an extremely soft hammer. +AD4-It's not for nothing that Jonas Chickering used to call the hammer the +AD4AIg-heart of the piano+ACI-. More than a stringing scale, a bridge desigen, a +AD4-complicated pinblock, a misunderstood damper system, a bunch of +AD4-individually tied strings, or a non-neophyte-user-friendly action, the +AD4-Chickering piano was above all A SOUND--THE CHICKERING SOUND. It is upon +AD4-this sound that Chickering's reputation was founded. Assessing it is very +AD4-easy: If a piano has this sound, it is a true Chickering. If it doesn't +AD4-have this sound--read here ALL 20th Century Chickerings and most of the +AD4-older ones which have been either rebuilt, or remanufactured--than it is +AD4-NOT. Few of the older, true Chickerings remain today. Few. Chances are +AD4-that you will never hear one. Not one. +AD4- +AD4-What you do hear, what has existed for virtually the entire 20th Century, +AD4-what you have come to know as a Chickering, is an imposter, a fake, a +AD4-rip-off--merely another mediocre, poor-sounding, poor-playing, cheaply- +AD4-made stencil piano, a Chickering in name only, built in the belief that a +AD4-naive, ill-informed buying public is ignorant enough to buy only the name +AD4-and not the instrument. Of course, the manufacturers are right. The name +AD4-continues to sell because most people wouldn't know a good-sounding, +AD4-good-playing instrument if it fell on their head-- so the piano owner +AD4-thinks: +ACI-Wow, I have a really good piano, a Chickering+ADs- and the informed +AD4-technician thinks: +ACI-Wow, what a piece of junk+ADs- where did Chickering get +AD4-its impressive reputation anyway?+ACE- Certainly not from this+ACEAIg- You bet +AD4-they didn't+ACE- +AD4- +AD4-The fact is that by the 1970's the flush handle on the American Piano +AD4-Industry had already been pulled, the water in the bowl, having already +AD4-passed the point-of-no-return, was swirling mightily and was inevitably +AD4-headed for that final, resounding flush, the echo of which can still be +AD4-heard today. Which is why what little vestiges of the American Piano +AD4-Industry remain today resemble nothing so much as Hiroshima on the day +AD4-AFTER we dropped the bomb. Your client's Chickering comes from that era. +AD4-Lucky client. Lucky you. Not+ACE- +AD4- +AD4-As to your question: +ACI-Should this '70's Chickering be rebuilt?+ACI-, forget +AD4-it. It's a waste of time. The piano is junk. Further, why waste time +AD4-even trying to voice and regulate it, or, for that matter, even try to +AD4-tune it? Giving it your best effort, you'll still only wind up with a +AD4-piece of junkola which has been tuned, voiced and regulated as well as it +AD4-will permit, which is not very well at all. The problem is NOT the quality +AD4-of your work, it is the quality-- or rather the lack of it--of the +AD4-instrument itself. Lest you think this this criticism unjustly harsh, just +AD4-look at other +ACI-name+ACI- pianos from the same era like Knabe, Mason +ACY- Hamlin, +AD4-Steck and Weber, to name just a few. Like the Chickering, all these were +AD4-also embarassments to their names (to say nothing of +ACI-lesser+ACI- pianos).The +AD4-fact is that no amount of tuning, regulating or voicing, no matter how +AD4-competently it might be done, can do anything to counteract the effects of +AD4-flat boards, loose ribs, sloppily-made bridges, careless pinning and +AD4-stringing, balsa-wood pinblocks, no or negative string down-bearing, +AD4-lousy scales, generic, bottom-of-the-barrel action parts, El Cheapo +AD4-hammers with their felts coming loose from their wood moldings, and +AD4-the rampant-mediocrity built into such pianos from start to finish. You +AD4-know you're looking at real junk when a Pearl River, or a Horugel starts +AD4-looking good by comparison--and they do+ACE- So forget about trying to +AD4-rebuild this piece of junk and try to find an instrument more worthy +AD4-of your time and talents. +AD4- +AD4-Both playing and servicing the piano have much in common. It is not +AD4-for nothing that Chopin required his students to practice on only +AD4-the finest-quality instruments. Chopin realized that their progress +AD4-as pianists was directly dependent upon the quality of the pianos +AD4-they played. The same is true of the technician--his progress is +AD4-dependent upon the quality of the instruments upon which he works. +AD4-Put another way, the only way to learn concert-quality tuning, regu- +AD4-lating and voicing is to practice those skills on firt-class pianos. +AD4-Constantly. So instead of wasting your time fooling with that 70's +AD4AIg-Chickering+ACI- find yourself a Steinway, a Bechstein, an older Blu- +AD4-thner, or perhaps one of Ernest's Knabes, George's Stecks, Albert's +AD4-Webers, or Jonas's Chickerings and direct your attentions to some- +AD4-thing vastly more worthwhile. Both the piano and YOU will benefit. +AD4- +AD4-Does this mean that a +ACI-70's Chickering is to be regarded as a totally- +AD4-useless piece of junk? Of course not+ACE- One must remember, however, that +AD4-with an instrument of this caliber, one in which function FOLLOWS form, +AD4-rather than preceeds it, those uses will include providing a convenient +AD4-place for a vase of flowers, a pile of unplayed music, a collection of +AD4-framed photographs, or even a sleeping cat, but NOT the performance of +AD4-music. On the other hand, a lonely person can put a leash around the +AD4-leg of such a piano and then take it for a walk around the block on a +AD4-winter's evening, pretending all the time that it's really a Golden +AD4-Retriever with a cold nose. +AD4- +AD4-For those who insist on looking for at least the remnant of a silver +AD4-lining in even the darkest of clouds, there is good news: The decal, +AD4-itself, is impressive and that is certainly a highly important virtue +AD4-in a modern world where piano-quality is now seen, not heard. +AD4- +AD4-Les (occasionally accused of being opinionated) Smith +AD4-lessmith+AEA-buffnet.net +AD4- +AD4- +AD4- +AD4- +AD4- +AD4- +AD4- +AD4- +AD4- +AD4- +AD4- +AD4-
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