RCT user class

Joe & Penny Goss imatunr@primenet.com
Wed, 3 Jun 1998 07:12:14 -0600


Hi Mitch,
are there any opportunities to use-see the RTC at RI?
Joe Goss

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> From: mitchkiel@olywa.net
> To: PianoTech <pianotech@ptg.org>; CTuner Dean Reyburn
<ctuner@reyburn.com>
> Subject: RCT and SAT3 (long)
> Date: Tuesday, June 02, 1998 6:44 PM
> 
>   Jim Coleman and others have been discussing the SAT 3 and RCT here on
PianoTech.
>   Mitch Kiel here jumping in with both digital feet.
>   Full disclosure: I'm not just a piano tuner and avid RCT user. I also
> have a business relationship with Dean Reyburn of Reyburn CyberTuner 
> that in some ways might be similar to Jim's relationship with Dr.
Sanderson 
> and the SAT. I am an authorized sales distributor for RCT 
> (in a happy coincidence, I bought my SAT 2 from Jim in 1994), 
> I teach RCT classes at conventions, and I like to write about how to use
RCT.
> 
> 
>    Jim Coleman wrote:
> >I have deliberately avoided getting into a public battle of RCT vs SAT.
> 
>    I think it's perfectly OK to talk about RCT and the SAT.
>    "Enlightening discussion" is a better  descriptor than "battle" for
the way we
> should conduct this conversation, as I'm sure my peace-loving friend Jim 
> Coleman would agree. Both ETDs have made important contributions to 
> the state of the art of piano tuning, both have a large and loyal
following,
> and both will be around for many years to come.The SAT and RCT are 
> competitors, it's true, but friendly competition is what makes 
> the world (and PTG?) go 'round, n'est pas? 
>   
> 
> >The RCT which I have is a 2300c...
> 
>      It will help focus our discussion if we differentiate RCT, which is
software, 
> from the computer that runs it. RCT runs on many different model laptops
of 
> different speeds and cost.
> 
> 
> >Although I have been more fortunate than others, I have not had to send
> >mine back to Apple for service. 
> 
>   Jim's experience of no warranty problems is quite typical. Very few Mac

> laptop computers ever need warranty service. 
>    For instance, I owned the same model as Jim, a 2300c, for almost two 
> years and had zero problems. About four months ago I upgraded to a new 
> faster 2400 and, again, have not had a single problem.
>   Admittedly, complicated electronic devices (and complicated machines 
> like pianos!) do have occasional problems. That's why there are 
> warranties and technicians. For instance, I had a warranty problem with 
> my SAT II‹an internal short rendering the SAT unusable‹so I sent it back
> to Inventronics in Boston, whose fine service department fixed it for
free
> and returned it in less than a week‹ almost as fast as Apple ;) 
>    Jim, maybe you haven't heard about our new loaner policy. If any 
> computer purchased from us needs service within the one-year warranty 
> period, we send out a free loaner computer *before* the machine is sent 
> in for repair, and you can keep the loaner until *after* you've received
and 
> fully tested your repaired machine. 
> 
> 
> >It only takes 1 minute to calculate a custom tuning with the SAT. With
RCT
> >it takes 1 minute 46 seconds to calculate a standard OTS tuning with
> >default selections already made and the computer already on and warmed 
> >up. 
> 
>    In my opinion, the extra 46 seconds is well worth the additional
> accuracy and quality of the tunings RCT creates. 
>    In that small amount of time, RCT takes a very large set of samples.
RCT 
> samples A4, A3, A2, A1 at four partials each, A5 at three partials and 
> (optionally) A6 at two partials. Furthermore, it samples each of these
notes three 
> times then averages the three samples together for increased statistical
accuracy
> (and displays a number indicating the internal consistency of the three
samples). 
> That's 21 partials measured three times each, which means RCT measures 63
partials
> from low bass to mid treble. (BTW, RCT automatically measures and records
all 
> samples, which helps minimize user-bias or error.)
>    RCT tunings sound so darn good because it also calculates tunings by
directly 
> matching partials, just like aural tuners do. In other words, to tune A3
to A4,
> RCT matches the sampled 4th partial of A3 to the sampled second partial
of A4. 
> This is exactly what aural tuners do when we use the 3rd:10 test.
>     I actually spend *less* total time at a piano because RCT's tunings
sound 
> so great that I almost never need to modify them and because RCT's cool 
> features like Target blushing, auto note switching, etc. help me move
very fast.
> 
> >It takes me longer to tune with accuracy with the RCT than it does with 
> >the SAT. 
> 
>    My experience is very different. It takes me *less* time to tune
*more* accurately 
> using RCT than with my SAT or tuning aurally. Target blushing, 
> new in the March 1998 release of RCT 2.5, has especially helped increase
my 
> speed and accuracy more than ever.
>   
> 
> >At the default speed of 2 in Hz mode, the full 
> >blush
> >is indicative of .4 cent accuracy.   
> 
>     I believe that's true only at A4. I'm not an expert with number
stuff,
> but I believe beats double every ascending octave, whereas there's always
100 cents 
> between semi-tones. Therefore, if Jim's Spinner is set to 2 *beats* per
rev/sec, 
> full blush Targetting will be at .1 *beat* per second, which is
theoretically
> .4 cents at A4, .8 cents at A3, 1.6 cents at A2, 3.2 cents at A1, 6.4
cents
> at A0, and treble-ward .2 cents at A5, .1 cent at A6, .05 cents at A7. 
> (Partial 1 is not normally used when tuning the low bass, but I
> hope I've made my point.)
>     I prefer setting the Spinner (and therefore Target blushing) to
cents, as does 
> almost every other RCT user. Cents is much more precise in the bass and
much 
> more controllable in the treble. 
>   
> 
> >The SAT has only one display mode and it relates to beats. 
> 
>    RCT has two display modes, beats or cents. Your choice.
>    Furthermore, with RCT you can adjust the sensitivity rate from the 
> super-sensitive 1 cent (or beat) per revolution per second all the way up
to 
> just-get-it-in-the-ballpark 16 cents (or beats) per rev per second. 
> RCT also lets you set different rates (and Spinner colors!) for Fine tune
> mode and each of its three Pitch Raise modes.
>   
> 
> >The RCT has the ability to change an equal 
> >tempered
> >tuning into an historical tuning. The SAT III also has that (up to 14
> >different kinds). 
> 
>    RCT comes with 57 stored Historical Temperaments, taken from Owen
> Jorgenson's book "Tuning." And with RCT you can create and store 
> an *unlimited* number of your own User Temperaments for which, like 
> all RCT tuning records, you can view a spreadsheet and graph of all 
> 88 notes' cents readings and partials.
>    By the way, the graphs of tunings using non-equal temperaments are
very 
> interesting. Some graphlines are very "toothy" which indicates they
deviate from equal 
> temperament more than ones whose graphlines are only "bumpy." 
> Using the spreadsheet, you can ascertain the cents widths of many
intervals,
> and hence predict their beat rates. 
> 
> >The RCT has temperament sequencing so that you can tune 
> >in the order of your favorite Temperament. The SAT has a collection of
up 
> >to 4 different temperament orders which can be utilized. 
> 
>   The next version of RCT will store many additional temperament
sequences which you 
> will be able to customize, name, and save. Educational benefits already
in 
> RCT include an 88-note keyboard showing the note being tuned, its tuning
partial
> note and number, and in Aural Temperament mode a dot shown on the key of 
> every temperament note that's been tuned.
> 
> 
> >Both machines
> >have an infinite number of ways to stretch a tuning scale according to 
> >one's preference. 
> 
>    With RCT, you can add stretch to any note on the fly using the 
> Offset box or the Tune box. But it's much easier, and creates a more
balanced 
> stretch for the entire tuning, to pre-select one of ten overall stretches
with just
> one click of your mouse. To further adjust the stretch in the low bass
you can 
> select a low bass octave type (6:3, 8:4, 10:5, or 12:6). 
>    In RCT's Custom Equalizer, you can also micro-adjust the stretch of
every octave 
> at A0, A1, A2, A3, A5, A6, and A7 by as little as 0.02 beats *and* 
> preview a graph of interval widths (in either beats or cents! ;) of
octaves, 
> double octaves, fifths, twelfths, etc. 
>  
> 
> > The SAT battery is
> >a very definite advantage...
> 
>    I disagree strongly. I think the huge advantage of the laptop's
superior 
> speed, storage capacity, and full-display screen vastly outweighs the
SAT's 
> longer battery life.
>    Anyway, for me the battery question completely vanished a year ago
when I realized
> I could plug my laptop into an AC outlet at almost every piano using a
99˘ 10' extension cord.
> This way I *never* run out of power ;)
>    And my new 2400 has a new-technology Lithium-Ion battery, which has
twice 
> the power per ounce as the old technology Nickel Metal Hydride battery.
> 
> 
> >There are definite advantages to having a computer with you on the job. 
> >There
> >are small organizers which are cheap and take care of most of those
things
> >for which you may need a computer on the job. The thing that still
> >bothers me is that I have tied up over $4000 in my RCT and I still don't

> >have everything I would like to have on it for other purposes. 
> 
>    As Jim correctly points out, the hardware RCT runs on can be used for 
> many useful tasks other than tuning pianos, such as keeping customer
records, 
> email, shooting down alien spaceships. In this regard, RCT has a clear
advantage. 
>     But it confuses our comparison of the SAT3 and RCT if we veer off
into 
> a discussion of using computers for those valuable "other purposes" Jim
mentions.
> If we want to talk about using computers as a business tool, I suggest we

> start another thread.
>     The dollar amount Jim mentions is much more than anyone needs to
spend.
> For instance, RCT (software only) sells for $795. If you already have a
laptop, 
> that's all you need to invest. 
>     We offer several complete packages which include RCT and a laptop
computer. 
> The least expensive is $1395 and includes RCT and a 66 mHz/ 8 megs
RAM/160 
> megabyte HD laptop, and is designed for people who want only to tune
pianos.
>     (List, please forgive the discussion of $$, but I thought it
important
> to respond to Jim's comments.)
> 
> >Jim Coleman, Sr. (with flame suit handy)
> 
> Mitch Kiel 
> (no flame suit needed I hope, just my fuzzy flannel pj's cuz it's way
past midnight)
> 
> 
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Mitch Kiel, RPT
> authorized Reyburn CyberTuner sales and support
> 1-888-I-LUV-RCT (1-888-458-8728)
> 
> 11326 Patsy Drive SE    
> Olympia, Washington 98501 USA
> email: mitchkiel@olywa.net
> Visit the RCT Web site at www.reyburn.com
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