If anything can *teach* stability, it is the VTD. It will notice the slightest drift in pitch and will alert you in its own special way. I got my SAT II the day after I passed my CTE tuning exam. The first thing it did was to sit me down and teach me a thing or 2 about stability. It was enough to make me wonder how I passed that exam doing as well as I did .. Now it's my best friend. I've taken on and survived some of the worst tuning challenges available in metro Detroit with its help (the annual Ford-Montreux-Detroit Jazz Festival, warehouse sales at a local dealer for starters). It also enables me to continue tuning when I'm at the mercy of an oncoming migraine ..... It and I have a partnership where I can come awfully close to a good tuning, but my ear (and what brainpower I might have that day) is still the final judge. I always find notes to tweak and improve upon. Z! Reinhardt RPT Ann Arbor MI diskladame@provide.net ---------- > From: Don <drose@dlcwest.com> > To: pianotech@ptg.org > Subject: Re:VTD's > Date: Wednesday, June 03, 1998 9:37 PM > > Hi All, > > What *hogwash*. A VTD or ETD used properly will only serve to create a > quicker learning curve. As to stability, perhaps Mr. Mohr might not > consider a pitch drift of .48 cents at A4 on a Yamaha C7 over a six month > time frame good stability, but I most certainly think it is acceptable. > > > At 11:34 PM 6/2/98 EDT, you wrote: > >In a message dated 98-05-30 01:52:55 EDT, you write: > > > ><< > > I tend to agree with Franz Mohr's assessment of the use of ETD's, at > least to > > a point. He always said that he had never met a piano technician that used > >an > > ETD (and in his experience, that usually meant a Strobe Tuner) who could > > produce a stable tuning. He stressed repeatedly in his lectures that a > >visual > > aid actually would distract the technician from developing a true feeling > and > > sensitivity for what is really required to tune a piano according to a high > > professional standard. > > > > In my own experience as an Examiner, I have seen it happen far too often for > > my own comfort, not to mention the humiliation that the Examinee must feel, > > that a user of an ETD creates a very passable tuning, only to show > afterwards > > that he/she has little idea of what really sounds correct and what does not. > > The ability to perceive and create that which is correct entirely by ear is > > the only skill that merits the use of the title, RPT. > > > > Bill Bremmer RPT > > Madison, Wisconsin > > > > > > I always have said, and I stand by it to this day, that individuals learning > >how to tune, should not have an ETD to use until he or she can pass an > exam at > >the RPT level. This will according for Franz Mohr allow the feel and proper > >hearing that is necessary to please the ear. After RPT is achieved, then an > >ETD is very helpful, but the ear is the final authority. > > > >I service my church piano once a month because of heavy use. One time when > >many of the brethren were working on the stage while I was tuning, one > noticed > >that I was using a SAT. I heard him say, "boy I can learn to tune with > that!" > >One playfully yelled to everyone in the auditorium and said "Dave's > cheating!" > >All kidding aside, I explained that my aural tuning is computed in the memory > >of my machine. My years of experience is in this memorized tuning. > > > >Pay your dues first, then let the ETD become your best friend, but not your > >crutch. > > > >Food for thought. > > > >Dave Peake, RPT > >Portland, OR > > > > > Regards, > Don Rose, B.Mus., A.M.U.S., A.MUS., R.M.T., R.P.T. > "Tuner for the Centre of the Arts" > drose@dlcwest.com > Web Site: http://www.dlcwest.com/~drose/ > 3004 Grant Rd. > REGINA, SK > S4S 5G7 > 306-352-3620 or 1-888-29t-uner
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