Hi Jim, Speaking from the non-expert seats, I've got an observation or two. I don't use an ETD, so I can't really make meaningful, or at least quantifiable, comparisons, but what I think you are talking about is very similar to what I mean by the concept of minimum garbage. While the ETD produced tuning is probably more accurate, it doesn't include the work-arounds that a good aural tuner provides to sidestep coincident partials that aren't..., false beats, odd whistles, banshees, and other evil spirits that conspire to sabotage the tuners' efforts. While the ETD tuner is (perhaps) looking at the best 'numbers', the aural tuner is relying almost exclusively on subjective impression for the final determination as to where to leave any given note/unison. He/she's making accuracy compromises in favor of subjective enhancement instead of favoring accuracy over subjective result. As the HT people have been saying all along, and the aural vs ETD people perhaps haven't fully realized, there can be a subjective difference between different methods of tuning even when ALL of them are very well done within their inherent criteria. Tuning for perfect thirds progressions, at a book rate for a given octave (stretched to the theoretically correct limit) doesn't mean it is going to sound pretty. Perhaps a little diddling of the stretch, or interval progressions is necessary to blend in a faint but nasty partial mismatch that's way up there where the ETD doesn't look, or care. In other words, the absence, or minimalization, of these aberrant nasties is what makes the tuning sweet... minimum garbage, and it takes human judgement to factor it in. It's not Voodoo, it's optimum compromise/enhancement. Sometimes the best trail is a little off center on the paved path. The half dozen or so beginning tuners I have tried to explain this to all initially wrote it off as demented raving, and you can too. %-) They all eventually came back around to it when their linear procedures weren't working for them and each one said it helped them a lot more than they thought it ever would. For what it's worth. It may seem sloppy, but it's pretty. Yes sir, I'm a pretty sloppy tuner all right. Hey... wait a minute. Now I DO have to get back to work. Ron
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