voicing with pliers

[Richard Moody]

Hi Ward,
    Glad to hear someone else uses pliers.  Yes those little Vice Grips do
work. I am not worried about cutting into my sales.  I forgot to add the
offer is only good on April 1.   Or I should have said $70 because if the
tech can't take a pair of slip joints and grind the tips to the proper
angles I am not sure if they should be voicing in the first place. I should
beg to be excused for sounding arrogant but they should be that simple to
make.
    So the little V grips cut piano wire... that is good to know.  I know
those "sargent" brand pliers in the catalog the parallel jaw with the funny
looking wire cutters on top work real good also.  Otherwise for special
music wire  cutting pliers it gets costly.  Some dykes are hardened and work
OK but you can't tell till you cut the first wire. Why do they side cutters
dykes?  ---ric

----- Original Message -----
From: Ward & Probst <wardprobst@cst.net>
To: <pianotech@ptg.org>
Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2000 6:13 AM
Subject: RE: voicing with pliers


> Hi Ric,
> I have used small Vice Grip pliers for this, I think they are four inches
or
> so long. They are in my kit for a variety of uses- the cutter will cut
piano
> wire well incidently. With the adjustable stop built in the handle. Not
> trying to cut into your sales, just makes for one less thing to carry in
the
> house. Can you tell my kit is getting too heavy? :)
> BTW, the technical theme for Reno this year is voicing for those who are
> interested. We will have voicing tutoring from basic to advanced, a new
idea
> for this year. Space is limited so get your registrations in early.
>
> Best,
> Dale
> Dale Probst, RPT
> Member, TEAM20001
> PTG Annual Convention
> Reno, NV --July 11-15, 2000
> email: wardprobst@cst.net
> (940)691-3682 voice
> (940) 691-6843 fax
> TEAM2001 website: http://www.equaltemperament.com/PTG/
>
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> I heard the shoulders should be firm so the hammer wouldn't flatten but
what
> do they know whom I read?     With these discussions on "radical voicing"
> like steaming, wool softener, and massive needling I am wondering if
voicing
> pliers should be reconsidered?   My teacher ground down a linesman pliers
so
> it "pinched" (from the sides)  the hammer very well.   One picture is
worth
> a thousand words, suffice it to say the jaws ground narrower at the tips
and
> wider towards the cutter. (now you really want a picture, I will try)
There
> was also a limiting device so you couldn't squeeze too hard but I soon got
> rid of that as I could tell better by the feel what was going on.
>     These pliers should work best on chemically hardened hammers and
"nubs"
> hammers filed 3 or 4 times, I can vouch for nubs.   Actually the common
slip
> joint pliers should work as well.   For the first 3 people who ask  I will
> send them out for $7.00 post paid.   If I get accolades then they should
be
> worth $15.00 + S&H .  Then I should figure out how to do a set that will
> squeeze hammers in uprights without taking the action out ---ric
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