Fw: Plate Finish, was Varsol

[Farrell]

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"The base is too irregular from the casting and it took forever to build =
up enough new material to smooth it out again."

West System has several excellent additives for their epoxy for use as =
fillers and fairing compounds. These materials mix up to like a =
peanut-butter consistency, but are very low density (I usually use their =
microballons), go on real smooth AND SAND SUPER EASY. One of the many =
things I like about good epoxy applied properly is that you don't ever =
have to worry about it cracking off.=20

Terry Farrell =20
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  From: Erwinpiano=20
  To: pianotech@ptg.org=20
  Sent: Monday, July 02, 2001 10:17 AM
  Subject: Fw: Fw: Plate Finish, was Varsol


   Hi Diane

     Really it's ok.  Some times sandblasting is the easiest way to get =
off layers of bad paint jobs or japanning that is cracking/  I finding =
that there are so many products to build up a flat finish from the =
automotive sector and it doesn't take as long as you might think.  My =
nephew is an autobody whiz and is incredibly knowledgeable with product =
experience.

  Thanks

  Dale

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  From: Diane Hofstetter=20
  To: pianotech@ptg.org=20
  Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2001 10:47 PM
  Subject: Re: Fw: Plate Finish, was Varsol


  Dale,

  When I saw that you had tried sandblasting it, I immediately felt =
sorry for you!  I tried that once too and still remember the nightmare.  =
The base is too irregular from the casting and it took forever to build =
up enough new material to smooth it out again. Good luck!

  Diane

  Diane Hofstetter=20
  245-M Mount Hermon Rd.#343=20
  Scotts Valley, CA 95066=20
  ph 831-438-6222=20
  fax 831-430-9741=20
  dianepianotuner@hotmail.com=20

  >From: "Erwinpiano"=20
  >Reply-To: pianotech@ptg.org=20
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  >Subject: Re: Fw: Plate Finish, was Varsol=20
  >Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 20:32:16 -0700=20
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  >Hi Mark=20
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  > I'm aware of the many amazing properties of shellac but it just =
never occurred to me to try it in this application until you guys =
tweaked my duh! barrier. This might be my answer.I'm in the middle of a =
plate job that is a very long and arduous story.=20
  > Thanks=20
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  > Dale Erwin=20
  > ----- Original Message -----=20
  > From: bases-loaded@juno.com=20
  > To: pianotech@ptg.org=20
  > Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2001 2:00 PM=20
  > Subject: Re: Fw: Plate Finish, was Varsol=20
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  > Hi Dale -=20
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  > It would be very unlikely for you to have a bleed thru problem like =
you describe if you used shellac as your barrier coat. It is an =
amazingly reliable coating, sticks to anything, isolates contaminants, =
and provides a film that virtually any top coat will have good adhesion =
to, esp, if you use the dewaxed version.=20
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  > Mark Potter=20
  > bases-loaded@juno.com=20
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  > On Sun, 1 Jul 2001 11:02:09 -0700 "Erwinpiano" writes:=20
  > Terry=20
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  > Is the primer you use before spraying the laquer an enamel or just =
something compatible with laquer? Is your final result prone to =
chipping?, or does it stay a bit on the softer side and set up harder =
over time. (which I like) Just curious as I am experimenting with some =
different techniques including sandblasting to remove rust and animal =
urine then building back up with automotive productsof various kinds.Yes =
it's a pain but I've had some preexsistent stains return to discolor =
spots in my final topcoats over time.=20
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  > Dale Erwin=20
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  > ----- Original Message -----=20
  > From: Farrell=20
  > To: pianotech@ptg.org=20
  > Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2001 6:19 AM=20
  > Subject: Re: Plate Finish, was Varsol=20
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  > "Using shellac for the first coat should prevent the fish eye."=20
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  > I don't use shellac, but I hear/read so much about it, I have no =
doubt it is an excellent way to go. What I do use for my plates though, =
is grey (any color is fine I'm sure) metal primer that I buy at the =
auto-parts store. I just use it to hit areas that I have sanded through =
to the bare metal. Sand lightly after dry. Then I finish with spray can =
gold laquer. I like to just keep it simple. As long as I am using the =
spray can laquer for the finish, I find it very easy to use the spray =
can primer. I have had excellent results.=20
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  > Terry Farrell=20
  > ----- Original Message -----=20
  > From: jolly roger=20
  > To: pianotech@ptg.org=20
  > Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2001 1:48 AM=20
  > Subject: RE:S&S plate touch up & Varsol=20
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  > Hi Diane,=20
  > Varsol must be a Canadian type thing, for some thing you guy's call =
some thing else. Two great Nations separated by a common language. ( =
Churchill I think.)=20
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  > None of the paint stores I went to know what Varsol is......=20
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  > I bought a good quality gold enamel and one of those =
fill-it-yourself spray bottles. It looks much better except for the =
fish-eyes=20
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  > Using shellac for the first coat should prevent the fish eye. The =
oxidization is probably attacking the finish from below. Just a =
calculated guess. Some of the more expert finishers could probably give =
advice in this area.=20
  > I have done one plate in this manner. The grey market Yamaha just =
2yrs ago. The finish seems to be holding up OK. But more time will tell. =
Weather it will eventually eat it's way through again, I do not know. =
But I do know shellac can be a very effective sealer. Leave for several =
days to harden, before applying the finsh coat.=20
  > Hope this may help.=20
  > Regards Roger=20
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  > Diane Hofstetter=20
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  Diane Hofstetter=20
  245-M Mount Hermon Rd.#343=20
  Scotts Valley, CA 95066=20
  ph 831-438-6222=20
  fax 831-430-9741=20
  dianepianotuner@hotmail.com=20


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