Strange call, melodic vs. harmonic

[Greg Newell]

Carl,
    I think it does apply, at least from what I remember. I do like using
TuneLab :-)! It seems to make my ears less burned out to do a better final
check. I would prefer more stretch in the bass than the template tuning curve
gives me but it fairly easy to adjust the way I like it so .... no problem. I
seem to remember that when i started using an ETD the outer octaves were called
over stretched by Either the Accutuner and or by TuneLab but less by the
Accutuner. I now give up trying to match the machine and try to make the machine
match me!  I see the main use of the ETD as an effort for consistency and
smoothly progressing intervals both up and down the scale. It seems that if my
thick head can get the machine to read the notes to me as I'd like to tune them
(stretch wise) all would be fine. I also let it do most of the work on small
lack luster pianos for sanity's sake! Did I answer your question or am I just
rambling?

Greg

Carl Teplitski wrote:

> Interesting observation, re. comparing higher octave to lower
> by playing lower first, thus tuning sharp, as opposed to playing
> oct.s together. Heard this from a highly skilled tuner in our area
> who is now 89 yrs. old, and not tuning anymore. What say you
> about a similar occurrence in the bass. Or does it not apply?
>
> Carl
>
> Nichols wrote:
>
> > At 06:02 PM 3/1/01 -0500, you wrote:
> > >Ron,
> > >    While I don't disagree with what you mention here I think the
> > >phenomenon is simpler than that in many cases. I found that even early on
> > >in my aural tuning career, (I just started using an ETD 3 yrs ago), I
> > >tuned noticeably sharp if I tuned by playing the octaves in the high
> > >treble starting with the lower note followed by the higher note rather
> > >than simultaneously. I've found that tuning that way as opposed to
> > >simultaneous sounding of the two notes caused me to stretch the notes
> > >higher. When I sounded the notes together I was able to pick up the beats
> > >easier and thus stretched them less. I think that perhaps this is more in
> > >line with what may be happening. Older tuners seemingly can't register
> > >and react to the decay in a quick enough fashion to hear what's happening
> > >so we/they overcompensate so as to not have a dead sounding high treble.
> > >Any Thoughts?
> > >
> > >Greg Newell
> >
> > Thoughts, Greg? (had one once, but....) Actually, there is one thought,
> > that surfaces every once in a while, (like worms out of a hot cheese log)
> > re: melodic vs harmonic intervals in the high treble......
> >   With the pitch change between attack, sustain, and decay, why isn't the
> > higher note tuned flat (as opposed to sharper) when matched to the
> > melodically played lower note during its' decay phase?
> >
> > Guy

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