Enough with the self flagellation; just accept along with the rest of us old codger, nervous nellies, etc. that we all have the same goal in mind. It's like trying to get sober; it's easy to quit, just try to stay quit; much like hammers, getting them somewhere in voice after a while isn't that hard, but creating stability over the long term is damned hard. Anyway, I just had to throw in my two cents worth on the subject. By the way, where was Abel in that list? PR-J
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