SAT III vs. Reyburn CyberTuner

[David Love]

I think that regardless of how literally one takes Mr. Ilvedson's statement 
about "never" (I don't), he makes a good point.  I think that in the 
learning process it is, for most, too easy to allow the device to do the 
listening for you.  I think everyone would agree that the goal at the micro 
level is to learn to discern aurally small differences in beat variations, 
and at the macro level to hear the tuning as a whole and how similar types 
of chords in different keys relate in quality and character (at least in 
ET).  Tuning is art as well as science.  Thus, I think the focus of learning 
must be aural first.  The visual should serve to confirm.  Judgement calls 
are frequent in tuning and your ears should have the confidence to override 
what your eyes tell you if it is called for.  That being said, I think the 
ETD's can be useful for confirming what you are hearing, can get you in the 
ball park quickly, take some of the fatigue out of the process, and give you 
a second opinion when you are not sure what your ears are telling you.  Both 
machines are good.  The SAT is smaller and lighter and the battery last 
longer.  The CT has other computer features.  Neither one lets you turn off 
your ears.  If I were learning all over again, I would buy a machine, find a 
skilled tuner/tech who can teach to work with on a periodic basis (pay 
them), only use the machine while you are learning to check and confirm not 
only your aural judgement but your stability, and practice practice 
practice.


David Love


>From: BobDavis88@AOL.COM
>Reply-To: pianotech@ptg.org
>To: pianotech@ptg.org
>Subject: Re: SAT III vs. Reyburn CyberTuner
>Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 19:01:57 EST
>
>Don Rose writes:
>
> > David Ilvedson wrote:
>  >    If you get the ETD first you will never learn to tune without it no
> >  > matter what people say about EDTs being great teaching devices.
>
>Having watched several people, inclucing my wife, learn aural tuning in 
>what
>I considered a VERY good time by using an ETD, I also disagree. I admit 
>that
>none of them lacked self-discipline - they used it as a feedback instrument
>rather than a crutch. Anyone who wants to blame the device for their own
>improper use of it has that right, but at the sacrifice of a good aid to
>speed and quality.
>
>Bob Davis

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