Carl, I still say your best statement of protest would be to pass the RPT tests then re-nounce your RPT status. David I. *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 3/25/01 at 12:41 PM Carl Meyer wrote: >Well David, your kinda wrong again. I'm a folk that can't use a tuning >folk. On the farm, I used pitch folks, manure folks, ensilage folks and I >graduated from using a kitchen knife to eat peas to using a folk. If there >is a tine missing tho, the dumb peas fall thru. > >I don't however make a living using an etd. >Not that I couldn't if I was bent that way, but I choose to concentrate on >other things > >After having a lot of my earnings confiscated by our socialistic >government, >if I behave myself, they give some of it back to me in the form of >antisocial insecurity. > >I've been a member since before the sight-o-tuner came out. I remember the >strobotuner. I can still hear and see the kicking and screaming when etd's >got started. I still hear muffled grunts, groans and sighs, but they are >slowly diminishing. No one likes a change except a wet baby. >There will always be those that think rules are more important than >results. > >I rented my 7 ft Hardman a couple of weeks ago and I tuned it for a >concert. >Does that make me a concert tuner? I used the accutuner. No complaints. > >One thing I hope everyone has noticed. I never speak disparagingly about >those among us who are fine tuners but have to think twice before using a >screwdriver to decide which end to use. I do question their title of >technician rather than tooner. You see, I have nothing but admiration for >anyone that can do a good job of tuning, listening to beats for 40 years >and >not ending up at the funny farm. > >Don't get me wrong. My anger long ago turned to amusement. I kinda enjoy >my status as the Rodney Dangerfield of the PTG. > >Now, I think I'll have a bottle of imported beer. Cheers!!!! > >Carl Meyer > > > > > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "David Ilvedson" <ilvey@jps.net> >To: "pianotech" <pianotech@ptg.org> >Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2001 8:49 AM >Subject: Re: never say never..kinda long > > >> Go Phil! I've been kinda wrong before...;-] Of course we won't be >hearing >> from all the folks who can't tune with a tuning fork and make a living >> tuning with a ETD will we... >> >> David I. >> >> >> *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** >> >> On 3/25/01 at 8:56 AM Phil Bondi wrote: >> >> >David Ilvedson wrote: >> >> >> > If you get the ETD first you will never learn to tune without it no >> >> matter what people say about EDTs being great teaching devices. >> > >> >..I'm late on this thread, but this comment caught my eye.. >> > >> >David...you're kinda wrong..and hopefully, _I_ will prove you wrong this >> >Summer when I take the Tuning Exam in Reno. >> > >> >breif history about myself: >> > >> >started working with a dealership in 1997 after 1.5 years of >bi-monthly(?) >> >trips to Atlanta to work and study with Larry Crabb. In Feb. of '97, >Larry >> >thought I was 'ready' to start earning money in the field..I inquired to >a >> >local dealership about doing some work for them, and it just so happens >> >that >> >they were looking for a new tech..I was hired on the spot and given a >> bunch >> >of work right away, both on the floor and in customer's homes. >> > >> >Baptism Under Fire. >> > >> >..and I felt that my aural skills were no where ready to be >'scrutinized'. >> >Of course my feelings were correct, so I purchased a SATll to make my >work >> >more 'credible'. It was a great purchase at the time. Some customers had >> >seen this device before and were not satisfied with the results. I >assured >> >them that this is a great tool to do our job, and would welcome any >> >criticism once I was finished tuning...never had one complaint. >> > >> >..in the meantime, working for this dealership, I would practice my >aural >> >skills while doing floor tunings. The SAT was my tutor, since my visits >to >> >Atlanta were coming to a halt, not because of my wealth of knowledge, >but >> >because my business was starting to take off and I felt I needed to be >> here >> >to answer the phone. >> > >> >As I was getting more confidence in hearing those s l o w beating 5ths, >I >> >was starting to tune aurally on selected pianos out in the field..ones >> that >> >I felt I could hear what I needed to hear and not feel scrutinized by >the >> >customer. Spinets were a welcome sight, since most of my customers that >> >have >> >spinets are not going to be critical of my work..more like grateful that >> it >> >sounds better!..but..spinets were harder for this green roo(k) to hear >> >those >> >5ths and 4ths than some of the Grands that I chose to tune aurally....i >> was >> >feeling some frustration because i felt I had hit a wall in my learning >> >process..i probably did.. >> > >> >and then one day..while tuning on the dealer floor, i nailed a >temperament >> >on the 1st try...this was a big confidence boost..i listened and played >> and >> >re-played those 4ths, 5ths, 3rd's and 6th's till it was ad nauseum..but >I >> >needed to implant that sound in my remaining brain cell to be able to >> >confidently open a spinet or lift the lid on a 9'er to tune aurally. >> > >> >The SATll sits in my tool box and is removed now for pitch raises, noisy >> >enviroments, and unfamiliar Concert Venues (that doesn't happen too >> often). >> > >> >Am I the exception rather than the rule?..probably..I've been accused of >> >worse. >> > >> >David, if you're in Reno this summer, hopefully I will be able to say to >> >you >> >that 'never' is not a good word to use. Let me say this publicly..I am >> >finally prepared to 'fail' the test..which means that if I had taken the >> >tuning test 2 years ago in Providence, I would have failed miserably >> >because >> >I would have been unprepared to fail..I would have been clinging to the >> SAT >> >for alot longer than I have if I had taken that test back then..my >> >confidence in my aural tunings has improved immeasurably since then. I >> have >> >learned how to let the piano tell me how it wants to sound..still >learning >> >'how', but I think I can tune aurally fairly well, with an accurate >> stretch >> >both ways, and have the instrument be musical to the player..and I do >mean >> >'player'. >> > >> >Confident, never cocky, >> >roo(k) >> >> >> >>
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