SAT III vs. Reyburn CyberTuner

[David Love]

David I.

Just trying to give you a little r-e-s-p-e-c-t.  I will see you at the farm 
with my SAT in hand.

D. Love


>From: "David Ilvedson" <ilvey@jps.net>
>Reply-To: pianotech@ptg.org
>To: "pianotech" <pianotech@ptg.org>
>Subject: Re: SAT III vs. Reyburn CyberTuner
>Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 08:52:15 -0800
>
>Mr. Love, will "Mr. Ilvedson" see you down at Stanford this week?
>
>David I.
>
>
> >I think that regardless of how literally one takes Mr. Ilvedson's
> >statement
> >about "never" (I don't), he makes a good point.  I think that in the
> >learning process it is, for most, too easy to allow the device to do the
> >listening for you.  I think everyone would agree that the goal at the
> >micro
> >level is to learn to discern aurally small differences in beat 
>variations,
>
> >and at the macro level to hear the tuning as a whole and how similar 
>types
>
> >of chords in different keys relate in quality and character (at least in
> >ET).  Tuning is art as well as science.  Thus, I think the focus of
> >learning
> >must be aural first.  The visual should serve to confirm.  Judgement 
>calls
>
> >are frequent in tuning and your ears should have the confidence to
> >override
> >what your eyes tell you if it is called for.  That being said, I think 
>the
>
> >ETD's can be useful for confirming what you are hearing, can get you in
> >the
> >ball park quickly, take some of the fatigue out of the process, and give
> >you
> >a second opinion when you are not sure what your ears are telling you.
> >Both
> >machines are good.  The SAT is smaller and lighter and the battery last
> >longer.  The CT has other computer features.  Neither one lets you turn
> >off
> >your ears.  If I were learning all over again, I would buy a machine, 
>find
> >a
> >skilled tuner/tech who can teach to work with on a periodic basis (pay
> >them), only use the machine while you are learning to check and confirm
> >not
> >only your aural judgement but your stability, and practice practice
> >practice.
> >
> >
> >David Love
> >
> >
> >>From: BobDavis88@AOL.COM
> >>Reply-To: pianotech@ptg.org
> >>To: pianotech@ptg.org
> >>Subject: Re: SAT III vs. Reyburn CyberTuner
> >>Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 19:01:57 EST
> >>
> >>Don Rose writes:
> >>
> >> > David Ilvedson wrote:
> >>  >    If you get the ETD first you will never learn to tune without it
>no
> >> >  > matter what people say about EDTs being great teaching devices.
> >>
> >>Having watched several people, inclucing my wife, learn aural tuning in
> >>what
> >>I considered a VERY good time by using an ETD, I also disagree. I admit
> >>that
> >>none of them lacked self-discipline - they used it as a feedback
> >instrument
> >>rather than a crutch. Anyone who wants to blame the device for their own
> >>improper use of it has that right, but at the sacrifice of a good aid to
> >>speed and quality.
> >>
> >>Bob Davis
> >
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