never say never..kinda long

[Carl Meyer]

David:  Your suggestion is far too juvenile for me to peruse.

You may not realize that when a chain is dangled in front of me-I just can't
seem to resist pulling it.

I've reconsidered my statement that my anger has turned to amusement.
Actually, it's turned to sadness.  I'm saddened that a few must speak
disparagingly of others that have different goals, abilities. desires Etc.
than their own.   I can only assume that the motive is to enhance
self-esteem.  I do believe the PTG has a smaller percentage of these types
that most professions.

I do want to make you a sporting proposition.  You get all the RPTs that
have not taken the test in its present form to take the test and those that
fail are downgraded to associate.  Then I will take the test.

Carl Meyer (self esteem still intact)

----- Orginal Message -----
From: "David Ilvedson" <ilvey@jps.net>
To: "pianotech" <pianotech@ptg.org>
Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2001 1:38 PM
Subject: Re: never say never..kinda long


> Carl,
>
> I still say your best statement of protest would be to pass the RPT tests
> then re-nounce your RPT status.
>
> David I.
>
>
> *********** REPLY SEPARATOR  ***********
>
> On 3/25/01 at 12:41 PM Carl Meyer wrote:
>
> >Well David, your kinda wrong again.  I'm a folk that can't use a tuning
> >folk.  On the farm,  I used pitch folks, manure folks, ensilage folks and
> I
> >graduated from using a kitchen knife to eat peas to using a folk.  If
> there
> >is a tine missing tho, the dumb peas fall thru.
> >
> >I don't however make a living using an etd.
> >Not that I couldn't if I was bent that way, but I choose to concentrate
on
> >other things
> >
> >After having a lot of my earnings confiscated by our socialistic
> >government,
> >if I behave myself, they give some of it back to me in the form of
> >antisocial insecurity.
> >
> >I've been a member since before the sight-o-tuner came out.  I remember
> the
> >strobotuner.  I can still hear and see the kicking and screaming when
> etd's
> >got started.  I still hear muffled grunts, groans and sighs, but they are
> >slowly diminishing.  No one likes a change except a wet baby.
> >There will always be those that think rules are more important than
> >results.
> >
> >I rented my 7 ft Hardman a couple of weeks ago and I tuned it for a
> >concert.
> >Does that make me a concert tuner?  I used the accutuner.  No complaints.
> >
> >One thing I hope everyone has noticed.  I never speak disparagingly about
> >those among us who are fine tuners but have to think twice before using a
> >screwdriver to decide which end to use.  I do question their title of
> >technician rather than tooner.  You see, I have nothing but admiration
for
> >anyone that can do a good job of tuning, listening to beats for 40 years
> >and
> >not ending up at the funny farm.
> >
> >Don't get me wrong.  My anger long ago turned to amusement.  I kinda
enjoy
> >my status as the Rodney Dangerfield of the PTG.
> >
> >Now, I think I'll have a bottle of imported beer.  Cheers!!!!
> >
> >Carl Meyer
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "David Ilvedson" <ilvey@jps.net>
> >To: "pianotech" <pianotech@ptg.org>
> >Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2001 8:49 AM
> >Subject: Re: never say never..kinda long
> >
> >
> >> Go Phil!  I've been kinda wrong before...;-]  Of course we won't be
> >hearing
> >> from all the folks who can't tune with a tuning fork and make a living
> >> tuning with a ETD will we...
> >>
> >> David I.
> >>
> >>
> >> *********** REPLY SEPARATOR  ***********
> >>
> >> On 3/25/01 at 8:56 AM Phil Bondi wrote:
> >>
> >> >David Ilvedson wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >  If you get the ETD first you will never learn to tune without it no
> >> >> matter what people say about EDTs being great teaching devices.
> >> >
> >> >..I'm late on this thread, but this comment caught my eye..
> >> >
> >> >David...you're kinda wrong..and hopefully, _I_ will prove you wrong
> this
> >> >Summer when I take the Tuning Exam in Reno.
> >> >
> >> >breif history about myself:
> >> >
> >> >started working with a dealership in 1997 after 1.5 years of
> >bi-monthly(?)
> >> >trips to Atlanta to work and study with Larry Crabb. In Feb. of '97,
> >Larry
> >> >thought I was 'ready' to start earning money in the field..I inquired
> to
> >a
> >> >local dealership about doing some work for them, and it just so
happens
> >> >that
> >> >they were looking for a new tech..I was hired on the spot and given a
> >> bunch
> >> >of work right away, both on the floor and in customer's homes.
> >> >
> >> >Baptism Under Fire.
> >> >
> >> >..and I felt that my aural skills were no where ready to be
> >'scrutinized'.
> >> >Of course my feelings were correct, so I purchased a SATll to make my
> >work
> >> >more 'credible'. It was a great purchase at the time. Some customers
> had
> >> >seen this device before and were not satisfied with the results. I
> >assured
> >> >them that this is a great tool to do our job, and would welcome any
> >> >criticism once I was finished tuning...never had one complaint.
> >> >
> >> >..in the meantime, working for this dealership, I would practice my
> >aural
> >> >skills while doing floor tunings. The SAT was my tutor, since my
visits
> >to
> >> >Atlanta were coming to a halt, not because of my wealth of knowledge,
> >but
> >> >because my business was starting to take off and I felt I needed to be
> >> here
> >> >to answer the phone.
> >> >
> >> >As I was getting more confidence in hearing those s l o w beating
5ths,
> >I
> >> >was starting to tune aurally on selected pianos out in the field..ones
> >> that
> >> >I felt I could hear what I needed to hear and not feel scrutinized by
> >the
> >> >customer. Spinets were a welcome sight, since most of my customers
that
> >> >have
> >> >spinets are not going to be critical of my work..more like grateful
> that
> >> it
> >> >sounds better!..but..spinets were harder for this green roo(k) to hear
> >> >those
> >> >5ths and 4ths than some of the Grands that I chose to tune
aurally....i
> >> was
> >> >feeling some frustration because i felt I had hit a wall in my
learning
> >> >process..i probably did..
> >> >
> >> >and then one day..while tuning on the dealer floor, i nailed a
> >temperament
> >> >on the 1st try...this was a big confidence boost..i listened and
played
> >> and
> >> >re-played those 4ths, 5ths, 3rd's and 6th's till it was ad
nauseum..but
> >I
> >> >needed to implant that sound in my remaining brain cell to be able to
> >> >confidently open a spinet or lift the lid on a 9'er to tune aurally.
> >> >
> >> >The SATll sits in my tool box and is removed now for pitch raises,
> noisy
> >> >enviroments, and unfamiliar Concert Venues (that doesn't happen too
> >> often).
> >> >
> >> >Am I the exception rather than the rule?..probably..I've been accused
> of
> >> >worse.
> >> >
> >> >David, if you're in Reno this summer, hopefully I will be able to say
> to
> >> >you
> >> >that 'never' is not a good word to use. Let me say this publicly..I am
> >> >finally prepared to 'fail' the test..which means that if I had taken
> the
> >> >tuning test 2 years ago in Providence, I would have failed miserably
> >> >because
> >> >I would have been unprepared to fail..I would have been clinging to
the
> >> SAT
> >> >for alot longer than I have if I had taken that test back then..my
> >> >confidence in my aural tunings has improved immeasurably since then. I
> >> have
> >> >learned how to let the piano tell me how it wants to sound..still
> >learning
> >> >'how', but I think I can tune aurally fairly well, with an accurate
> >> stretch
> >> >both ways, and have the instrument be musical to the player..and I do
> >mean
> >> >'player'.
> >> >
> >> >Confident, never cocky,
> >> >roo(k)
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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