Sharp organ

[Joseph Garrett]

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Jon,
I would agree with your assessment of Organ types!
Regards,=20
Joe Garrett
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Jon Page=20
  To: pianotech@ptg.org=20
  Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2001 6:08 PM
  Subject: Re: Sharp organ


  My problem was that the organ is tuned somewhere around 430.

  They want to play the organ with the piano for a performance.
  Themn they want to use the piano in accompaniment with hand bells at =
440.
  Then back with the organ, then back with the hand bells. I gave up =
that gig.

  Then organ people tell them that they would have to make considerable =
alterations
  in pipe lengths to alter "voicing".  I came in a few days after one of =
their 'tuning' and
  was appalled, no amount of temperature or humidity fluctuation could =
account for
  those dreadful intervals.  I pointed it out to their organist, but =
what do I know, I'm just a piano tuner.

  I was present in another church when the tuning was being done. One =
guy on the console,
  the other guy with a Conn pitch generator in the pipe chamber. No =
brain, no pain; I guess.
  I mentioned about an SAT, RCT (all there was at the time) and received =
a blank stare.=20
  Hearing protection would be my first priority in this situation.

  I attempted to help an another organist by  'touching-up' the mix =
(little did I know what that was).
  After finding it and tending to those little whistles I would never do =
it again without hearing protection.

  I though piano tuners were nuts, these guys are really out there...

  Regards,

  Jon Page

  At 05:13 PM 05/13/2001 -0500, you wrote:

    Hi Joe,
                I did not intend to pick, as I know it's a perenial =
problem
    with churches.  Communication is key, with the music people, pipe =
organ
    tech, and piano tech.  Education has to go along with it.  other =
wise you
    end up with the he said, she said game. A lose, lose, scenerio. I =
have been
    in the middle of those kinds of things, and also part of the =
problem.  A
    little older and some what wiser.  I insist on having the 3 parties =
meet.
    So solutions can be found.  Many of the pipe organ techs will also =
lay down
    a different bearing  (temperament)  than our standard  ET. Flue Work =
for
    instance has a very strong fundamental and less harmonic development =
than
    the principal chorus. And both are quite different than piano =
strings, in
    any given register.
    Team work is the answer if it can be fostered.   Bare in mind, that =
much of
    the beauty of a pipe organ, is it's space, and out of tuneness.  Add =
reverb
    time into the mix, and the game gets thicker. The big 16ft pipes are
    usually a long way away from the piano.
    For me, get rid of the pianos in churches, and let us make a Joyful =
noise
    unto the Lord.  With a real pipe organ.  <G>
    Just some thoughts on the subject.
    Regards roger




    At 02:24 PM 5/13/01 -0700, you wrote:
    >Roger,
    >Since you bi-directed this posting at me, I'll respond.
    >I was not "after" the Organ Tech!, but his lack of analysis of this
    >particular church situation. If he had ascertained the ambient =
temp/hum that
    >the church is "normally" at and achieved that before the final =
tuning of the
    >organ, I think that the organ would have been a little closer to =
A=3D440. Part
    >of the equation hasn't been discussed. Where Jeannie is, is right =
on the
    >ocean. I suspect that while the organ tech was installing, etc.  =
the hall
    >was kept at a comfortable level for his benefit. Once he finished, =
the
    >church went back to it's normal habit of not heating or cooling. =
IMHO the
    >organ tech should have a long conversation with the powers that be, =
at the
    >church, and emphasize the importance of constant temp/Humid =
conditions.
    >There lies the problem. My original comment was too short.(for that =
I
    >apologize) The best thing is IMHO to get the organ tech to retune =
the whole
    >enchilada while the church is in it's normal temp/humid mode. Then, =
at least
    >Jeannie won't have to tune the piano 12-15cents sharp and possibly =
more. If
    >the organ "floats" a little sharp and a little flat, with the =
average at
    >A=3D440, then it would be acceptable.
    >Regards,
    >Joe Garrett
    >----- Original Message -----
    >From: "jolly roger" <baldyam@sk.sympatico.ca>
    >To: <pianotech@ptg.org>
    >Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2001 11:00 AM
    >Subject: Re: Sharp organ

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