Tuning pin size?

JIMRPT@AOL.COM JIMRPT@AOL.COM
Fri, 18 May 2001 11:11:54 EDT


 MCS wrote:)

<<"but with the consensus of opinion of
rebuilders who are willing to decide for themselves what works and what
doesn't (based on personal experience and experimentation rather than
industry specified sacred cows), ending up in about the same place, it
can't have been anything but a similar process among manufacturers that set
these standards in the first place.">> 

Ron;
No scientific theories from me here, just some thoughts, cause I sure don't 
want to get in on the "tension" aspects of pins!

<<"consensus of opinion of
rebuilders who are willing to decide for themselves what works and what
doesn't">>
 The intelligent consensus would be to use the smallest, workable, thingees 
first because that will leave some room for error and I 'think' that is what 
we all do...more or less. Of course there are many many more techs replacing 
pinblocks now then in years past and that creates the expectation and 
familiarity of 2/0 pins. Ergo 2/0 is becoming the "standard" size and 
anything else is becoming somehow less, or at least non-standard. That does 
not needfully relegate all other size pins to the 'less worthy column...does 
it?

<<"(based on personal experience and experimentation rather than
industry specified sacred cows)">>
  Personal experience shows that there is no functional difference between 
2/0 and 6/0 pins...that being said they do "feel" differently but 
'functionally" they are the same. Since I am more math challenged than the 
average tech I won't do the math but I wonder?????? Is there a frictional 
difference between a 2/0 X 2.5" pin and a 2/0 X 2 1/4 pin?.....How about 
between a 2/0 X 2.5" pin and a 4/0 X2 1/4" pin?
  Carrying on this line of reasoning...shouldn't a pin which requires less 
movement of the pin be a 'better' pin because of less wear of the pinblock 
through pin movement? If this thought is even close to being correct than 
that would argue for a 'larger' rather than a 'smaller' pin...wouldn't it? 
After all don't you have to turn a 'small' pin more to make the same pitch 
adjustment as with a larger pin??
  The difference between 2/0 and 4/0 is aprox. .009 and considering that this 
thingee is going to be stuck in a piece of wood which has many variations of 
frictional capability throughout the whole...does it really make a 
difference??
 Is it possible that how 'our' favorite tuning hammer tip fits on any given 
size pin makes more of a difference than does pin size itself??

<<"it
can't have been anything but a similar process among manufacturers that set
these standards in the first place.">> 

Possibly the technical side had something to do with the original 
sizing...but another possibility of the seemingly set "standard" is 
'cost'...........for example Stenwin calls XYZ manufacturer and says they 
want them to develop a pin to use for tuning pianos with the  following 
characteristics.............wheupon XYZ says "Hey! we already make that pin 
for Baldway and can let you have the same thing for X number of dollars per 
hundred thousand." Stenwin says yep we can do that and the style/size of pin 
you make for Baldway will be just fine.........ergo automatic "standard" pin 
style/size?
Just some thoughts.
Jim Bryant (FL)


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