This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment Bill, Very well said. I applaud you for your tenacity in pursing your = approach. I guess this is one of those threads which excites a lot of us who have = strong feelings on all sides of this discussion.=20 Tom Servinsky,RPT ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Billbrpt@AOL.COM=20 To: pianotech@ptg.org=20 Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 1:54 PM Subject: Re: more on this temperament thing In a message dated 10/18/01 12:28:26 PM Central Daylight Time, = drwoodwind@hotmail.com (Ron Koval) writes:=20 I hear from other tuners, that they would like to appreciate HT's, = but the=20 dissonences just get in the way. I'm not surprised, considering the = choice=20 of temperaments listed; Young, Kirnberger III, and the Coleman XI = are all=20 pretty strong choices! There is an 'aquired' aspect to tuning in=20 temperaments, and it becomes easier to accept 'stronger' = temperaments the=20 more they are heard.=20 I read consistently good thinking from you on this subject, Ron. = Congratulations! I also liked what Tom S. had to say. I'm tempted to = write a long essay which few people might read but I don't have the time = right now. I've said it all before anyway.=20 I'm sure that some people expect me to rant and rave, saying, to = paraphrase a couple of others, "The more H in the HT, the better" but = I'm not going to do that and it doesn't reflect my views anyway.=20 The truth is that I am forced to listen and work with pianos tuned in = ET all the time, whether I want to or not. I appreciate a = professionally tuned piano in ET and have no gripe against it. Those = technicians who insist upon ET however must realize that they are = imposing *their* values and belief system on everyone else. It's = understandable, it's the way they were trained.=20 I went through that period myself, long ago. I would not use = Kirnberger, Werkmeister, Young or any of these most commonly known HT's = for Jazz, Romantic, Pop or anything else, precisely for the reasons the = others have stated. Since I rarely tune a piano for one specific type = of music for a single performance, I would almost never use any of these = HT's. I don't consider them appropriate for the modern piano, just as = the people who have said that they do not and for the same reasons they = do not.=20 What needs to be understood is that this "the *more* E in the T, the = better" is a fallacy in itself. Remember George Orwell who made fun of = that concept? Once it is not E, it is not E. One temperament cannot be = more E than the other. I accept that when the T is really E, *some* = people like it best. But many, if not most have expressed a liking for = that *almost* E but not taking it as far as *MEAN* (as in gritting your = teeth, shaking your head, leaving the room muttering how the world has = gone NUTS) tone.=20 And thanks, Ron for saying that the same applies to octaves too. What = sounds pure and *good* to the technician may well sound dull and flat to = the musician but not always.=20 My goal is clarity, definition and texture, together providing for a = more musically pleasing and appropriate sound from the modern piano, not = unacceptability.=20 Bill Bremmer RPT=20 Madison, Wisconsin=20 ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: https://www.moypiano.com/ptg/pianotech.php/attachments/99/54/7f/98/attachment.htm ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment--
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