Dont know what to say

[Kevin E. Ramsey]

    I agree with Carl. I have a permit to carry a concealed weapon, and I'm
still not allowed to carry one on an airline. I'm a very analytical person,
and have had extensive training in the judicious use of deadly force. (Hey,
everyone needs a hobby, right? Well, that used to be one of mine.) I used to
have a low level Reserve Sheriff qualification in California. I have fifteen
years of extensive combat training in small arms.
    If I would have been on a plane-load with five or six terrorists armed
with knives, that plane would never have crashed. I would have simply told
the pilot to get behind me and be ready to take the controls of the plane
after it was clear, and after we had dragged the body from the seat.
    That's just the way it would have been, period.



----- Original Message -----
From: "Carl Meyer" <cmpiano@home.com>
To: "Peter Acronico" <acronico@ix.netcom.com>; "Pauline Block"
<pblock@mymailstation.com>; "lisa meyer" <lmeyer@callatg.com>; "linda
lester" <acalifgirl@AOL.COM>; "larry galanta" <lgalanta@AOL.COM>; "joyce
pettipiece" <rejoice@volcano.net>; "joe&bea" <beahsmith@msn.com>; "bing
gibbs" <binggib@pacbell.net>; "Antony Hulshoff" <Maribo@frys.com>;
<pianotech@ptg.org>
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 2:22 PM
Subject: Re: Dont know what to say


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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Newton Hunt" <nhunt@optonline.net>
> To: <pianotech@ptg.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 11:26 AM
> Subject: Re: Dont know what to say
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> > > > ? How could humans do such a thing ?
> >
> > I hesitated to send this to this forum but...
>
> I know how you feel.  I've been stewing about this since it happened and
if
> I can unload a bit, I might be able to go back to working on these fancy
> mouse traps we all love.
>
> Emotions run wild at a time like this and I have a knot in my stomach, a
> lump in my throat and tears in my eyes as I write this.  Some due to the
> sorrow I feel for the victims but a lot due to the anger and frustration I
> feel for the conditions and culture that I feel allowed this to happen.
>
> With hundreds of employees and millions of dollars the CIA was not able to
> warn or prevent this from happening.
> With hundreds of employees and milliions of dollars the FBI was not able
to
> warn or prevent this from happening.
>
> Let's look at the terrorists perspective.  They knew that they had a
capsule
> of warm bodies that were unarmed thanks to the inspections before
boarding.
> That way, knives would be effective.  They also knew that citizens are
> taught to never resist.
> Like store clerks are fired if they resist robbers, and women are told to
> not resist rape (just ask the rapist to use a condom).
>
> It now appears that in one case either the crew or some passengers
thwarted
> the attack but crashed the plane in doing so.  I worked with a guy that
> traveled all over the world and he told me that many years ago a guy tried
> to hijack a plane in China and the passengers beat him to death.  I find
it
> painful to imagine dozens of passengers frozen in fear watching 2 flight
> attendants being stabbed.  I happen to believe that women are to be loved,
> cherished, protected and respected.  When did the politically correct
crowd
> succeed in preventing  boys from becoming men?
>
> George w. said this morning that government officials should take action
to
> protect their citizens.  Better to have said "Quit preventing citizens
from
> protecting themselves and each other".
>
> At one time we had sky marshals, but they were discontinued because of
cost,
> but the excuse was "People get nervous if there is a gun on board".  They
> should be REALLY nervous if there isn't.
>
> Yes, I lay the responsibility for this disaster at the feet of the gun
> control crowd and the culture that fosters dependance on the government to
> protect us.  If just a few passengers or crew members aboard those planes
> were armed I don't think this would have even been attempted let alone
been
> successful.
>
> So, if the full force of the governments money and manpower has failed,
what
> is the solution?  Allowing, yes, encouraging  the arming of the "people"
> will do the job.  Guess what?  It's free.  Criminals don't fear the
> government, but they do fear an armed citizenry.  If the government don't
> trust the citizens, is it any wonder the citizens don't trust the
> government?????
>
> If there is any lesson to be learned from this catastrophy it is that
> mankind does not have the ability to to rule himself.  It appears that
time
> is running out and the conclusion is that a new system must be instituted
> very soon.  The end of the world?
> No, but certainly a bigger and better arrangement for mankind.  It won't
> include blowing up buildings.
>
> I assure all of you that I am not a violent person.  I consider what the
> terrorists have done is violence, but self protection
> is not but is a God given right.
>
> Thanks for letting me get this off my chest.
>
> Carl Meyer  Assoc. PTG
> Santa Clara, California
> cmpiano@home.com
>
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> >
> > We did this to ourselves.
> >
> > Rant follows.
> >
> > I am angry.  You cannot blame a monkey for being a monkey, terrorists
are
> what
> > they are and nothing can change that, they are simply unsane.  I am
angry
> at our
> > government for not knowing this was being set up and angry at our policy
> of
> > appeasement, our arrogance, our complacency, our permissiveness.
> >
> > NOW we have to take action and not a slap on the hand, but a
proportional
> > response thousands of times greater than our hurt.
> >
> > The only thing terrorists can respect is power and punishment totally
out
> of
> > proportion to their activities and abilities.
> >
> > Not just the terrorist but the countries that promote, promulgate,
> support,
> > protect and permit terrorists they are as guilty as the terrorists
> themselves.
> >
> > We should withdraw any and all support from the middle east and stop
> buying oil
> > from them immediately, even if oil products are rationed here, until ALL
> > terrorist activities are permanently terminated and perpetrators jailed.
> >
> > We are and will always be vulnerable to attack but the world must learn
> that if
> > you screw with us you die.  Simple formulae.
> >
> > It is time for our government to get tough and get rid of the
incompetents
> and
> > appeasers, no matter their guise or excuses.
> >
> > We will have to become more like Israel in almost every respect, secure
> borders,
> > plain clothed security officers on all airliners.  We, as Americans,
will
> have
> > to
> > take all aspects of our lives more seriously and make sacrifices we are
> not
> > accustomed to making.  We have had it far to easy for far too long.
Hence
> our
> > arrogance, our complacency.
> >
> > Life is tough sometimes but why make it so easy for the bastards to do
> this to
> > us?  Let us not blame the innocent, remember WHICH group did this, ours
> the
> > theirs.
> >
> > End of rant, for now.
> >