This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment You're right about starting with A4. I didn't mean to gloss over the = importance of that. David Love ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Isaac OLEG SIMANOT=20 To: pianotech@ptg.org=20 Sent: February 15, 2002 1:28 PM Subject: RE: Verituner: more opinions David, Thanks for your comments. I am very happy to hear that you have a such = good experiment with your VT100. Today I had to prepare and tune 3 Steinway D together for a jazz = improvisation performance, and the tunings sounds amazing . Each piano = with his own sound and personality, but a clearness and homogeneity that = could not be matched by other methods (in a little time) What I appreciate the most using this wonderful machine is that it let = me work naturally and don't drive my ears in a pre-defined curve or = partial progression. It follows the piano, as we all do when tuning (but the death tuners = who tune by A0 or A88 !) I have a comment for you, you said that you can start with any note, = but the A4 is of great importance and is treated differently from the = other notes (and gives the pitch you know !) , as Dave Carpenter have = write many times, it is very important to begin with that note and = obtain a complete iH reading on it before tuning any other. Welcome the happy vt100 users family ! Regards Isaac -----Message d'origine----- De : owner-pianotech@ptg.org [mailto:owner-pianotech@ptg.org]De la = part de David Love Envoy=E9 : vendredi 15 f=E9vrier 2002 07:13 =C0 : Pianotech Objet : Verituner: more opinions I purchased the Verituner recently and have used it now for about a = dozen tunings. I cannot compare it to the RCT or Tunelab, as I never = used them, but I will say that the VT does a marvelous job when compared = to the SAT III. It's ability to measure (or premeasure) any or all = notes and up to eight partials of each note in order to calculate an = inharmonicity curve resolves many of the complaints I had about the SAT = III which, unless monitored very closely, sometimes delivered a less = than satisfactory tuning to my ear. Though I had learned to work with = the SAT III very effectively by use of the DOB, two page memory for one = piano, and direct interval tuning, I find the VT to be much easier with = more predictable results. =20 The complaints listed earlier I find largely unwarranted. One = suggestion was that the VT required a two pass tuning. That is not = true. You can premeasure any sequence of notes ( though it is suggested = you always start with A4) including notes in troublesome transition = areas and the machine will use the data to create a curve with smooth = transitions. Or, as I believe Ron Koval mentioned, you can measure the = whole piano before you start tuning. Not necessary, but It takes about = 5 minutes. =20 Another complaint was about the pitch raise function, or coarse = tuning mode as it is called. The coarse tuning system requires lining = up two arrows rather than stopping a spinner and is a bit awkward at = first. When used as a genuine first pass rough pitch raise, it does a = perfectly adequate job. Moreover, you can set up the display with three = different levels of overpull which can appear simultaneously on the = screen. As you progress through the scale and want to change the degree = of overpull depending on the section of the piano, you can just aim for = the appropriate indicator. These settings are preset to 10/30/36 % = overpull but can be adjusted to your own preference. I set mine at = 15/30/36 which seems to work a little better for me. I pulled a small = Yamaha today which ranged from 30c flat in the bass to 80c flat in the = treble. One rough pass, one fine tuning and the fine tuning required = very small adjustments. =20 The display itself is perfectly readable and gives a lot of data. = The large flat or sharp sign that appears if the spinner is moving too = fast to see I found helpful. =20 You can adjust the stretch "style" from clean (narrow) to expanded = as with the SAT III DOB, but unlike the SAT III, changing the stretch = style does not preclude the machine using the inharmonicity readings to = calculate an acceptable curve. My experience with the DOB is that you = can actually put the piano a bit out of tune by selecting an = inappropriate amount of stretch. I have not experimented fully with the = "style" settings in the VT, but my impression is that the machine seeks = to find a balance between style selections and what the piano dictates. = I think that is a better system. The 300 page memory can be upgraded to 1000 pages for an additional = cost (as Paul L mentioned). There are presently a few glitches that are = being worked out with the upgraded memory, but I wonder just how = important the extra memory is. If you believe that inharmonicity = changes with weather, then you would want to recalculate at each tuning = anyway. If you don't, then since you can premeasure and a full 2 pass = tuning is not required to get excellent results, I don't consider it = critical. =20 It comes fully loaded with a variety of HT's and as difficult as it = is to admit, I actually like the way it tunes ET. =20 The simple fact that it measures multiple partials (rather than one = targeted partial) on a given note simultaneously and uses that data = collectively and progressively to project a curve, puts it above any of = the machines that I'm familiar with. There are other features that I = haven't mentioned, but I think it is truly state of the art.=20 David Love ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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