This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment Several Points: First, the issue, as I mentioned, is not whether a 5g hammer can replace = a 10 g hammer, but whether you reap any benefit from going from 10 grams = to 12, or 5 grams to 7 grams grams. I'm not arguing "light hammer", I = aim for medium zone strike weights: 10.5 - 11 g at note 1. I am arguing = against going to overly heavy hammers, high strike weight zone type. =20 Second, the differences between hammer #88 and #1 include other things = besides weight: the amount of felt over the core being a significant = factor. Also, as I mentioned, if there is too great a difference in = mass, then you won't be able to achieve enough of a difference in = velocity to compensate. Third, if the lightest you can play with control is with an acceleration = of x, then the quietest the piano can be made to sound becomes a = function of the mass of the hammer (una corda aside). Though the same = thing is true at the other end a properly voiced piano includes the = ability to push the volume to the point of distortion (in case you want = that effect) and so you don't benefit as much there. I admit this is a = small point of consideration. Fourth, a high strike weight zone hammer requires either more lead or = lower action ratio, or assist springs. I think actions can be optimized = in terms of inertia and action ratio. I don't like FW's up at the = maximum. I prefer them at about 80%. I think it gives a better feel. = Action ratios should be where regulation specs are not compromised. = Though blow distances vary on certain pianos (though not by much) , I = think there is an ideal range of dip, 10 to 10.25 mm. Deeper than = that and you start compromising control, in my opinion. Though pianos = come out of factories with varying dimensions, it doesn't mean that = those dimensions are ideal. A hammer of medium weight allows you to set = up the piano with FW's that don't approach or exceed maximums and with = an action ratio that doesn't force you to shorten the blow or deepen the = dip. I don't think assist springs offer a benefit in terms of feel or = control. Fifth, though rebound is a function of hammer resilience, it is also a = function of mass. Try your own experiment, put hammer number 1 at note = 60 and see how it sounds. My experience is that a high strike weight = zone hammer in this area offers no improvement in tone. It makes more = noise, but not a better quality sound. Finally, I made these initial comments because I notice a trend among = some rebuilders to go for high strike weight zone hammers with the idea = that there are tonal benefits to be reaped. I don't see the benefits. = Moreover, I see that this configuration requires compromises in other = areas to offset the weight problems that are created. I see no benefit = here either. Though pianists fingers can adapt to anything, I'm not = that interested in trying to push the envelope to see just what they can = tolerate. I'd rather try and find a theoretical ideal that balances = tone and touch and then make compromises only when necessary, or to = accommodate specific variations in taste. =20 David Love =20 This is the heart of Ed McMorrows thinking. He would also add that = friction is quite reduced with lower hammer weights, though he does not = formally work this into his equation. However, while F=3Dm*a is quite = simple in itself and has led Ed and others to believe that the mass = reduction of a lighter hammer can be sufficiently compensated for by = increased acceleration, many years experience with this approach has not = born that claim out. One need do no more complicated experiment then to = take a hammer from key 88 and lead it to the same weight as key 1 and = exchange the two to begin confirming that things are not so simple. = Voice all you want, or use different hammers all you want, and there is = still a difference in sound. Perhaps its as simple as saying velocity = simply does not compensate for mass in the sense we seem to assume here. = =20 Thats an interesting claim, tho I dont see it qualified in any sense. = And I have heard the opposite being stated, equally unqualified I might = add. I wonder if you might try and justify all this a bit in terms of = the mechanics involved. Just why do you think a more massive hammer = effects no change (or a negative one perhaps) at pppp ? And how can you = show that a light hammer can be more reliably controlled ?=20 very curioius.=20 I dont think it has been shown that hammer rebound from the string is = mostly a function of its mass. Rather I think it has been shown that the = hammers resiliancy has the most determinant function in this regard. = Neither do I understand that a lighter hammer allows any particular = greater freedom in terms of key dip, or blow. These parameters vary = quite enough as a matter of course already. We see everything from a = little over 9 mm dip to circa 11 mm dip coming out of factories, and = from as little as 42 mm blow to as much as 50. There is in fact no = standard by which to define what a "compromise of keydip, blow or both" = is.=20 Lowering the ratio will make it lighter at the key, and yet it will it = will travel less distance with equal key movement, and thus more slowly = at equal key speed. But because it seems lighter at the key..... the = finger playing will have a tendancy to compensate in order to achieve = similiar degrees of sound volume.=20 And its the pianists fingers this is in the end all about. It might be = instructive to simply change the ratio and compensate the action = regulation with a change in blow. This would keep key dip and hammer = mass constant in an attempt to better identify the effect of a change in = ratio on the perception of touch.=20 Those are my thoughts. Feel free to comment.David Love me too :)=20 --=20 Richard Brekne=20 RPT, N.P.T.F.=20 UiB, Bergen, Norway=20 mailto:rbrekne@broadpark.no=20 http://home.broadpark.no/~rbrekne/ricmain.html=20 =20 ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: https://www.moypiano.com/ptg/pianotech.php/attachments/7c/8c/16/ca/attachment.htm ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment--
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