This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment Well Richard, it sounds like you already paid David for the licensing. = There was a lot of stuff to wade through, I just addressed the main = points. Your comments are in italics: Indeed one does not require any particularly low ratio levels to = regulate quite normally...=20 My point is that low ratios will not regulate normally. If you happen = to believe, as I do, that certain regulation parameters correlate to = certain action ratios, then there is a narrow range of acceptable action = ratios that you can use if regulation is a high priority. With me, it = is. I think that an action should regulate with 10 mm dip and 45 - 48 = mm blow. There may be a few individuals who for some reason prefer the = dip to be deeper. Those individuals are exceptions (in my opinion) and = should not form the basis of decisions made about how generally to set = up an action. My experience and testing suggests that the range for of = action ratios that will allow you to achieve those regulation specs fall = between 5.75 and 5.85. I know many individuals are willing to take the = ratio down to 5.5, or lower. If they are set on 10 mm dip then they = will have to compromise blow distance to do that. =20 So let's do the math. Let's take note 18 in high strike weight zone. = Using the Stanwood charts, that brings the SW in at 14 grams. Following = the formula: FW =3D (R x SW) + (KR x WW) - BW (if my memory serves me) and plugging in the numbers using R =3D 5.75, SW =3D 14, KR =3D .52, WW = =3D 18. BW =3D 40, then if I do my math correctly, FW =3D 49.6 grams. = That's 12.6 grams over Stanwood's published maximum of 37 grams for that = note. Take the BW down to 38 where I normally set it up and you can add = two more grams to the FW. To get the FW down to the maximum you would = need either an R of 4.85 which would put your key dip around 1/2". Or = you could push the BW up to 53 which would put the downweight (assuming = 15 grams of friction at that end of the keyboard) of 68 grams! Not = acceptable. Or, you could add an assist spring to compensate for 13 = grams of FW, keeping the FW's at maximum. Or some combination of the = above. All this in order to reap the tonal benefits of a high strike = weight zone hammer? I've put clips on a hammer shank to change the SW = and I can hear the difference. It's louder. So what. Give me quality = over quantity. What I have seen to accomplish a design like this is an = action ratio down in the 5.3 range with an assist spring compensating = for 15 grams of FW and thus a FW comfortably under maximums. The = action regulates with 11+ mm of dip or 40 mm of blow. Those are a lot = of contortions to go through for a tonal benefit that I believe isn't = even there. =20 Take that same note in a medium SW zone at 10.7 grams (from Stanwood = charts) and that brings the FW in at 31 grams, 6 grams under the maximum = where you can easily take the balance weight up or down and maintain a = relatively low inertia action that regulates with standard specs. Why = mess with success. I am more inclined to think that high strike weight zone hammers are an = attempt to compensate for poorly designed soundboards. So instead of = just a bad sound, you now have a bigger bad sound. On a well designed = soundboard, my experience and unscientific inclination is that a medium = weight hammer of proper density and resilience will produce everything = you need. =20 Whether you like the sound or not is a different matter entirely.... and = falls within the realm of personal taste does it not ?=20 I find it odd that "taste" or "feel" is so often dismissed in these = discussions as irrelevant. There are too many theoreticians in these = discussions and not enough pianists if you ask me. It's not hard to = manipulate a formula for the sake of some theory but I sometimes think = that technicians really interested in honing their craft to a high level = would be well served spending more time developing their pianistic = skills. Even if you don't know the literature, you have to be able to = play like a pianist in order to understand what it is that you are = trying to create. All these theories are meaningless if the piano = doesn't feel right or sound right. And yes, we are not only allowed to = make value judgments about what constitutes good tone and a playable = action, but must do it if we are to have any credibility. With that, I = don't think that setting up actions is a crapshoot of accommodating = personal tastes. I think that 99% of the pianists we deal with want = things within a certain range. Regulation parameters, I believe, should = fall within a very narrow range. With the proper set up, exchanging a = key lead for a bit higher balance weight or vice versa should fall = within the range of what is easily achievable on any given piano, if you = ask me, in the same way that we should be able to manage the tonal = palette up or down. The Horowitzes of the world are exceptions in many = ways. =20 That's all for now. David Love ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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