I didn't mention this in the last reply to this but I've met very few Yamaha grands that didn't need some judicious voicing nee the yam quarried hammer string. Andrew At 07:33 AM 11/7/2003 -0800, you wrote: >In the end > > even the most sophisticated tuning device is totally reliant on whatever > > definition for a tuning lies within its programing. That in itself puts a >cold > > edge on the result, and removes said tunings several steps from the world >of > > the artist. > > > > >I'm really glad to read this. I've had this come up in discussions numerous >times but because tuning, in my humble opinion, is an art it's hard to give >a solid explanation of what the outcome of the artistic practice really is. >Does that make sense? > >I'm a relatively new tuner. I've tuned about 500 pianos using an Accutuner >and 99 44/100's percent of my customers like my tunings but I don't. I've >been through a number of classes on aural tuning but I still can't put my >finger on why I think my tunings don't sound like I think they should. > >Instructors have used phrases like "the piano will talk to you and tell you >what it wants". I keep saying, "it's not talking yet", and I get frustrated. > >I know there are probably techniques in using the Accutuner that I am not >fully aware of yet that would make the tunings better. > > >From my experience explaining my perceptions about the sound of my tunings, >and my dislike for them, can be difficult for others to understand. > >Does this make sense? My tunings don't seem to be "smooth, creamy, delicate >(they have a cold edge)". I've heard concert tunings at Sacramento State >College, done by our former guild president Peter Clark, and they are >wonderful. They sound smooth, creamy and delicate. > >I've come to the conclusion that aural tuning is the only way to get those >results. It's not just setting the temperament aurally but tuning from the >center of the keyboard to the treble and then doing the bass, as many of the >books and instructors teach. After setting the FAC or selecting a factory >FAC I've been tuning from A0 to C88. I don't think the sound is the same. > >The reason for my conclusion: A few weeks ago I had the pleasure of tuning a >Yamaha C5 in a huge home, in an open, empty room with very high ceilings. >The customer was an acquaintance of mine so we were candid about the tuning. >I asked him how he liked it...his comment was "it grates on me". I thanked >him and then said, "me too". > >Remember, I'm not a total aural tuner. > >I told him I know of another way to tune the piano so I set my temperament >with the accutuner and then tuned octaves to the treble and then the bass. >I'd only done this once before. He said he liked it. I liked it too even >though it wasn't perfect. I spent 7 hours at the piano, no, breaks, not >lunch, no potty. > >I thanked him for the opportunity to tune his piano and said " its been a >pleasure to work on this piano and learning experience. I can't take any >money for that. Many new tuners would give their eye teeth to work on a >piano like this". ..And I left. > >He sent my a very nice thank you card...with a nice check...and expects to >see me again in 6 months. I'm scared! > >I'm taking a whole week off in November to practice my aural tuning. I hear >things better now than when I first started but I really need to solidify my >conceptual knowledge of aural tuning. > >Sorry to be so long winded...bad habit my wife says... > > >Anyone understand what I mean? > >Please be gentle... > > >Wayne Lutzow >Lincoln, CA >Sacramento Valley PTG > > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >pianotech list info: https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives
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