Vise Grips voicing is not a vice

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Another option is Allegro Piano Tools' Underleaver Lead Swaging Pliers. Reports back have lauded their performance in this application. It appears that the pliers' extended length greatly assists in providing the necessary force needed to "massage" the hammers.
I have attached a brochure and order form for the pliers.
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> Hello, 
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> Where do you find these voicing pliers? I'm curious to see a picture of 
> one. From what I've read, standard vise grip pliers are probably not the 
> way to go here. 
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> Corte Swearingen 
> Chicago 
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> "Dave Nereson" 
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> Sent by: Subject: Vise Grips voicing is 
> not a vice 
> pianotech-bounces 
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> 07/26/2004 01:45 
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> Please respond to 
> Pianotech 
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> I gotta side with David Love here, and others that take this position. 
> Hammers that require draconian treatments such as pliers-mashing to get 
> them soft enough to at all useable are not high quality piano hammers to 
> begin with. Ok ok... lots of cheapos use such hammers... and a mans 
> gotta do what a mans gotta do and all that I am sure... but decent 
> voicing on decent instruments does not involve this kind of thing. 
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> Cheers 
> RicB 
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> I strongly disagree. Yamahas, Kawais, Young Changs, and a few other 
> Asians makes are considered decent instruments, yet after a few years of 
> heavy playing (or even when brand new!), and in dry climates, can exhibit 
> extremely hard hammers that break strings. Rather than break up and cut 
> the 
> fibers with sharp needles, which, especially on Yamahas, makes them pull 
> apart at the crown, I opt for, as someone else put it, "deep tissue 
> massage". [Webster's Collegiate: Draconian -- . . . ; barbarously 
> severe, 
> harsh]. Some of these hammers require severe treatment. I wouldn't 
> consider it barbarous or harsh, if that's what it takes to be able to get 
> them to accept voicing needles. As I said in another post, the Vise Grips 
> are for gross, initial hammer softening, not for fine concert voicing. 
> Steaming can also work if the hammers aren't excessively hard, but it 
> affects mostly the surface and doesn't loosen up the felt deep in the 
> shoulders. I don't believe in stabbing and stabbing and pricking and 
> poking 
> until the fibers are all torn up, there are hundreds of prick holes in the 
> hammer, and you've got carpal tunnel syndrome and tennis elbow. --David 
> Nereson, RPT 
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