back check, a magical mystery tour.

antares antares@euronet.nl
Tue, 17 Aug 2004 23:27:28 +0200


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Sarah, I jest dunno....

All I can say is :

Find a decent grand and experiment. You'll be amazed.


EAR


On 17-aug-04, at 19:18, Sarah Fox wrote:

> Hi Andre, Bernhard,
> =A0
> I admit fully that I'm a novice and that I've never played around with=20=

> this sort of thing.=A0 But still, the effect you discuss seems a bit=20=

> odd.=A0 I can understand the adjustment having an impact on the=20
> feel/touch of the action, of course.=A0 Makes perfect sense.=A0 I =
suspect=20
> there would be no performance benefits, per se, with regard to the=20
> action, but the creation of that certain "feel" could indeed give the=20=

> action a more "positive" feel and give the pianist "inspiration."
> =A0
> But the sound???
> =A0
> If I=A0am understanding you correctly, Bernhard, I think you are =
saying=20
> that there is a bit of an added bump or=A0jolt when these two action=20=

> events (the checking of the hammer and the bottoming of the key) occur=20=

> in synchrony.=A0 This bump or jolt of course causes the strings to=20
> vibrate a bit more.=A0 Correct?=A0 It would be a similar effect to =
holding=20
> down the damper pedal and knocking on the case with one's knuckles.=A0=20=

> Right?=A0 If this is true, then would I be correct in assuming the=20
> benefit of this 2mm distance would mostly be felt much more with the=20=

> damper pedal depressed, as the impulse would generate a low-level=20
> ringing throughout all 88 notes?
> =A0
> Just speculating further, could the=A0noise of the action itself, =
apart=20
> from string vibration, be contributing to a certain "crispness" in the=20=

> sound?=A0 Yes, I know action noise is bad, but what I'm hearing here =
is=20
> that it is sometimes good, at least in certain respects.=A0 A lot of=20=

> things that are "bad" are really "good."=A0 Impurities give rubies and=20=

> sapphires their color.=A0 Carcinogenic=A0breakdown products=A0give =
barbeque=20
> its delicious flavor.
> =A0
> Either way, if the sound is indeed affected, it seems to me that the=20=

> benefit would be from the introduction of broadband noise, which is a=20=

> peculiar concept, to say the least.=A0 Perhaps it is the same sort of=20=

> openness that is experienced with the front and rear duplex segments=20=

> unmuted.=A0 Perhaps there is a tradeoff between "clean" and "dirty"=20
> sound, the "dirty" sound having more of a feel of openness.=A0 I'm not=20=

> saying this should or should not be the case -- or that any particular=20=

> goal is good or bad.=A0 I'm the first to admit that I deplore most=20
> percussion instruments, but still I miss them when they are removed=20
> from the mix, and so I must reluctantly admit that they do play an=20
> important role in the total sound of the music!=A0 ;-)=A0 I'm also the=20=

> first to admit that an overly "clean" sounding piano or a "nonechoic"=20=

> room sounds unnaturally "dead" to me.=A0 This is ironic, since much of=20=

> the energy in my research was focused on similating "perfect" acoustic=20=

> environments with perfectly flat sound and no echoes.=A0 (But I HATED=20=

> spending time in the booth, 'cuz it just felt creepy.)=A0
> =A0
> Does any of this seem to describe the effect that you are discussing?
> =A0
> Peace,
> Sarah
> =A0
> =A0
> =A0
> =A0
> ----- Original Message -----
>  From: antares
> To: Pianotech
> Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 12:03 PM
> Subject: Re: back check, a magical mystery tour.
>
>
> On 17-aug-04, at 9:50, Bernhard Stopper wrote:
>
>
> Hello All,
> =A0
> the energy of the hammer returned to the backcheck and the energy of=20=

> the key to the keyframe=A0become synchronous with the said 2 =
milimeters.=20
> If this two blows are synchronized, there is a higher pulse wave=20
> running through the instrument giving more additional energy to the=20
> string than when this two blows are time offset (and may cause phase=20=

> losses=A0when reaching the string).
> =A0
> As a second effect of this two blow synchronization at the 2=20
> milimeters s that the player=A0gets the impression when he reach the =
key=20
> bottom (what produces a reaction force on his finger) and the blow of=20=

> the hammer backcheck (what produces also a reaction force on his=20
> finger)=A0that he=A0touches the string with his fingertips what =
gives=A0him=20
> more inspiration while playing.
> =A0
> kind regards,
> =A0
> Bernhard Stopper
> =A0
>
> Hello Bernard,
> I appreciate your comment and highly value your knowledge.
> It may be because of the fact that both you and me are not Englese,=20
> but I did not really understand what you are saying.
> Could you try again?
> (as I said before : I am just a jerk with a hammer)
>
> (;
>
> friendly greetings
>  from
> Andr=E9 Oorebeek
>
> Amsterdam -
> The Netherlands
>
> www.concertpianoservice.nl
> www.grandpiano.nl
>
> "where music is, no harm can be"
>
friendly greetings
from
Andr=E9 Oorebeek

Amsterdam -
The Netherlands

www.concertpianoservice.nl
www.grandpiano.nl

"where music is, no harm can be"

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