Hi John, > However, there are people who don't believe that right and wrong is > weighed on an ever-changing human-defined scale. Certainly those that > have a judgemental attitude toward others are in the wrong, but there > is a difference between being judgemental and recognising that someone > may (or may not) be wrong for the choices they make for their life. > This is the difference I believe Dean is expressing. Good grief! Let's see if I understand this, because I'm admittedly a bit slow at times. If I understand you, you're saying that I should recognize that you may in fact be morally WRONG to live as a man (educated guess), but I should not judge whether you are or whether you are not. I should also not judge whether others are morally wrong to "choose" to judge others for making wrong choices. Seems rather contorted to me. Are you trying in a round-about way to imply that Rob's client (and possibly "others" on this list <ahem>) have made WRONG choices in their lives, while at the same time distancing yourself from any appearance that you have committed the transgression of actually judging someone??? But let's shed the politically correct nonjudgment thang... Let's be real... Let's not tiptoe around the big white elephant wearing the lavender party hat... Exactly what were Rob's client's "wrong choices?" I don't understand. Perhaps you could spell it out to me in some sort of detail, because from where I'm sitting, I don't see that his client did anything wrong. She called a piano tech to have her piano serviced. When Rob arrived, she was well behaved. When Rob completed his work, she paid him. Perhaps her transgression was that she might have overestimated the age of the piano? Or was it that it was somewhat tacky to tip? (Some people think it is, anyway.) Perhaps she should have warned Rob over the telephone, "I must tell you before you come out that I am a transsexual. I also own a blue car, and my mother's name is Rita. I just thought you needed to know these things about me before deciding whether to come out." I don't understand. What did she do wrong? Whatever did she do to Rob that was so horrible? Exist? Hmmmmmm????? Enquiring minds want to know. And if it's some Biblical thang, please, PLEASE be specific. WHERE is it codified in the Bible (New Testament, please, since Old Testament law became obsolete with the New and Everlasting Covenant) that Rob's client did anything wrong -- made WRONG choices, or whatever? Anyone? Give me a single Biblical verse. Anywhere in the book. And if ya' still wants to quote Deut 22:5 (even though it's obsolete), I'm going to ask you whether you think the other obsolete passages in Deuteronomy 22 should also be observed. (Hint: You're all going to hell in a handbasket!) AND I'm going to ask you to find an operational definition of "male" and "female" somewhere in the Bible, against which Deut 22:5 can be applied, 'cuz I don't know where it is. And if ya' wants to argue that transsexualism is a new phenomenon, think again. It's a phenomenon as old as civilization, and quite likely older. It's only the terminology that's recent. In Jesus' time, transsexuals were one of several types of "eunuch." So please tell me where in the Bible it says that eunuchs were bad people or made WRONG choices. PLEASE! There MUST be some sort of statute in the Bible somewhere, that all you folks are using to condemn the transgender community. Perhaps it's in the book of Secrets, which of course wouldn't actually be *printed* in the Bible, because it's supposed to be a secret. Or perhaps it's somewhere in Commandments 11-20? Please, let's be specific. I've had this stuff waved in my face for four decades, but nobody YET has been willing to show me where any of this stuff is written. It doesn't quite seem fair, does it. Patiently awaiting an explanation for over 4 decades, Sarah PS By way of reciprocating, I'm more than happy to research the scripture that pertains to judging others.
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