David... All due respect to Virgil and desciples for sure... but until this claimed <<audible beat>> can be indentified in some quantifiable sense then not that many folks are going to be able to figure out what it is and use it purposefully. And, the fact that for well over 25 years Sandersen and Coleman have been trying very hard to figure out what Virgil is talking about, and find nothing brings into question the whole concept. It could very well end up being as they claim... a simple misunderstanding of coincident partials beating. Virgils own writings on that matter do not reflect a deep understanding of coincedent partials theory as best I can tell. He renounces their usefullness to begin with, and talks about wide 6:3 octave types in the upper treble as being a result of his <<natural beat>>. Cheers RicB David Andersen wrote: >>There is no meaningful description for the net affect of the sum of all >>coincidents at present. Virgil Smith claims the existence of a so called >>natural beat... but this has yet to be quantified in any sense of the >>word... so it usefulness remains questionable at best. >> >> > >I don't think its usefulness is questionable at all---I use it every time I >tune, and following it has allowed me to become a really, really good piano >tuner. I can change a player's entire perception of an instrument with a >precise, musical, aural tuning using Virgil's natural beats tuning and 10 >minutes with a chopstick voicer. I've done it hundreds of times, following >up on some of the best people in town (LA). >For me, perfect 12ths are not nearly as important as slowly rolling, >precisely moving 4ths, 11ths, and 18ths----much easier to hear, and the >perfect stretch calculator, IMO. That said, my temperament and most of the >octaves I set turn out to be part of close-to-perfect 5ths and 12ths. > >Cheers, > >David Andersen > >_______________________________________________ >pianotech list info: https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives > > >
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