P12 in Tunelab Pro

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David, John, Ric, List,

I learned to tune this way about a year ago.  It makes decent pianos sound 
good, and good pianos sound great.  Can't say I do it on every rental spinet I 
tune, but I have fewer and fewer of those to contend with;  it has been a 
career altering educational experience for myself and my clients.  

Pianos seem to expand, brighten, come to life.  One of my clients said his 
piano sounded louder.  Many have said that their pianos have never sounded so 
good, or in tune.  Very rewarding stuff, great technique.  

Who originated this tuning method?  I may have missed something here 
somewhere...:-(

Dave Stahl


"I never met a perfect fifth I couldn't drink."  Jack Daniels

In a message dated 6/1/04 9:33:12 PM Pacific Daylight Time, bigda@gte.net 
writes:


> 
> on 6/1/04 5:29 AM, John Formsma at john@formsmapiano.com wrote:
> 
> > David Andersen responded:
> >> I don't think its usefulness is questionable at all---I use it every
> > time I
> >> tune, and following it has allowed me to become a really, really good
> > piano
> >> tuner.
> > 
> > ..snip...
> > 
> >> That said, my temperament and most of the octaves I set turn out to be
> > part
> >> of close-to-perfect 5ths and  12ths.
> > 
> > David, I agree with you about Virgil's method. Whenever I tune (in ET)
> > that way, I end up with nearly pure 5ths and very nearly to pure 12ths.
> > All the octaves are pure sounding when used in any combination.
> Exactly.
> > 
> > There is something about it that allows you to tap into the hidden power
> > of that individual piano. I notice it EVERY time, whether it's a 9'
> > Steinway or Yamaha U1 - it is a different and better sounding piano.
> EXACTLY.
> > 
> > For me, it took a fair amount of listening and practicing to say, "Yes,
> > I can now hear what is there." But it was certainly worth it.
> I guess i was led into it by my teacher, Jack Cofer, when I first learned
> how to tune almost 30 years ago. Worth it for me? Yes times a million.
> > 
> > Have you noticed that false beats in the treble are greatly minimized
> > when tuning this way?
> Absolutely, and it can cause many, many other psychoacoustic illusions as
> well:  bigger bass, more sustain, warmer voice, crisper, more even action
> regulation---I've heard all of these comments after just a real strong
> focused, natural beat aural tuning.  And the capper:
> "This sounds like a different piano; how'd you do that?"
> > Regards,
> > 
> > John Formsma
> 
> Hope this helps sincere tuners who want to really experience a consistently
> beautiful and precise and consistent tuning-----and have FUN doing it.
> 
> Best,
> 
> 



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