Tuning Devices for learning (was Tuning Devices)

[Joseph Freeman]

I agree with Mark AND David.  I'm a student, two months with a hammer,
and have just started using an ETD to test my practice.  The immediate,
non-subjective feedback was just what I need at this point.

I want to be a rock-solid aural tuner before I start tuning for pay with
an ETD.  But since I live out in the "boonies", it's it difficult to get
feedback.  (I have an RPT coaching me, but he's an hour away and I work
a full time "day" job.)

But being the "perfectionist" that I am, I wanted to know "now" how I'm
doing.

I do agree with David.  When I tried to "watch" my tuning, it made me
not listen as well.  I don't want to have that crutch.  So I don't keep
the ETD in view when I'm practicing.  But after I'm done with my
practice session, I check my work.  Then I check it the next day to see
if the pin held.  That way I have an idea if I'm setting the pin
correctly.  

I'm sure David wasn't referring to using an ETD in this context when he
made his comments.  But I had to respond.

And, since this is my first "post" after lurking for awhile, I just want
to say that you guys are great teachers!

Joe Freeman
Florida Student
Future Associate Member (any day now)


-----Original Message-----
From: pianotech-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org] On
Behalf Of Mark Davidson
Sent: Friday, May 28, 2004 9:02 PM
To: Pianotech
Subject: Tuning Devices for learning (was Tuning Devices)

David Nereson wrote:
>I recommend learning to tune FIRST BY EAR 
>ALONE, then consider an electronic tuning 
>aid after you know what you're doing.  
>Otherwise the chances of its becoming a 
>crutch and your not developing your ear are 
>far greater, in my opinion.

Well, I don't want to get into the argument about who is
a "real" tuner and who isn't, but I think ETDs are a
fantastic learning tool when used thoughtfully and judiciously.

I too am in the process of learning to tune, and I consider
the ETD to be an invaluable feedback tool.  Yes, I suppose
there could be a risk of coming to rely on it too much, but
it can help learning in many ways.

1. checking stability.  You can easily measure the effect of
test blows on notes you have tuned, or come back in a day
or week and check on them and quickly get an accurate
measure of the changes.  Very helpful while learning to
set pins.  When you come back the next day and everything
has dropped 2 cents and the humidity hasn't changed, then
you know you haven't got it yet :( 

2. tuning to a fork.  Easily compare your fork to the string
after tuning it by ear to see how much error there is.

3. comparing pitches/partials.  After tuning two partials 
together by ear, you can precisely measure the frequencies 
to see how close you got them.  This kind of instant 
feedback is very helpful for learning to tune unisons and 
octaves, or other pure intervals.

4. checking accuracy of temperament.  Some ETDs 
measure beats, but you can calculate these too from 
the frequencies of the partials.

Other suggestions?

The key of course is that you use the ETD to check 
your work AFTER doing it by ear. But frankly I 
can't think of a better or quicker way to check 
some of these things when starting out, and I find 
the instant feedback very helpful.

If you have a PC (preferably laptop) then Tunelab 97 is 
cheap and more than  adequate for all the above tasks.

The other real key is to find a good teacher...

-Mark Davidson

so umm, what is Proposition 12 anyway? or do I
have to learn the secret handshake first to find out...
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