Tuning Devices for learning (was Tuning Devices)

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List,

As a long time--incompletely trained for many of those years--aural tuner, I 
have to kick in for the ETD as a learning device.

I have been able to get stable unisons for a long time, and my hammer 
technique has been second nature for nigh on 25 years.  What I got from Tunelab 
Pocket, in combination with more serious study--becoming self-employed vs. doing 
strictly store tunings necessitated this--was verification that I was on the 
right track.  Ron Koval's idea of using it to "look over your shoulder" is a good 
one, IMHO.  In using that method, I have become a far better aural tuner than 
I ever was without one.

I certainly agree with what most have said, the way the piano sounds is the 
important thing, not how it looks on the screen.  Example:  I did some 
inharmonicity measurements on an upright Kawai awhile back, and somehow the tuning 
curve got screwed up.  I was doing a pitch raise on the piano, but I could tell 
from the start that it was not right, even at A0:  that was an aural correction 
of the machine, not hard to do when it's 75 cents sharp!  I corrected the 
tuning curve in Tunelab, did my pitch raise, then tuned the piano by ear.  If I 
had not been able to recognize this, I'm certain the piano would have sounded 
miserable, and possibly broken strings.

A tuning device can be a great teacher for a novice, or for someone who 
already has some degree of skill.  In conjuction with proper instruction, they work 
well.

IMHO, pitch-raising is the one thing I find practically indespensable with an 
ETD.  I've done it without, but it's a more lengthy process for me.  

Dave Stahl

In a message dated 5/30/04 4:40:12 AM Pacific Daylight Time, 
Richard.Brekne@grieg.uib.no writes:


> Chris
> 
> While we are all free to use whateve style of teaching we each find best 
> suits our own needs, I think it has been shown very clearly indeed that 
> ETD's can and are used very succesfully in teaching all aspects of tuning.
> 
> Cheers
> RicB
> 
> 
> 
> Chris Gregg wrote:
> 
> > Unfortunately I have to disagree with the use of an ETD for learning 
> > how to tune aurally.  As a person who has helped many students with 
> > aural tuning skills, I insist that at least the time they spend with 
> > me will not include an ETD.  The reason is that all the checks that 
> > you need for a tuning are available within the piano, and using an ETD 
> > to check the the work can be demoralizing.  Find a good aural tuner 
> > that can affirm what you are doing.  Your aural tuning skills will 
> > improve by leaps and bounds.
> >
> >
> > Chris Gregg.  RPT
> >
> 
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