A-440 and Ethics.

[David Ilvedson]

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I never overpull except for the little roll towards the right on=
 my SATIII.  Up to A440 then I do it again...

David I.

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From: Dean May <deanmay@pianorebuilders.com>
To: Pianotech <pianotech@ptg.org>
Received: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 18:38:12 -0500
Subject: RE: A-440 and Ethics.

Of a semi tone, or half step
 
Dean
Dean May             cell 812.239.3359
PianoRebuilders.com   812.235.5272
Terre Haute IN  47802
 
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From: pianotech-bounces@ptg.org=
 [mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org]On Behalf Of Farrell
Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2004 5:13 PM
To: Pianotech
Subject: Re: A-440 and Ethics.
 
"often bringing it 40-50% overpull. I used to bring it up to 100%=
 overpull" 
 
40-50% of what?
 
Terry Farrell
----- Original Message ----- 
From: Dean May 
To: Pianotech 
Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2004 1:22 PM
Subject: RE: A-440 and Ethics.
 
I=92ve done hundreds in the last 25 years, never cracked a plate,=
 often bringing it 40-50% overpull. I used to bring it up to 100%=
 overpull before RCT. I never bring up center strings first, then=
 left strings, then right strings. I always start at one end and=
 tune all strings as I go up. 
 
I=92ve often heard about the =93danger=94 of crack plates by unbalanced=
 tension. I dunno, maybe it can happen. But I=92ve never=
 encountered it in pitch raises or in chip tunings on restringing=
 jobs. 
 
 
Dean
Dean May             cell 812.239.3359
PianoRebuilders.com   812.235.5272
Terre Haute IN  47802
 
-----Original Message-----
From: pianotech-bounces@ptg.org=
 [mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org]On Behalf Of David Ilvedson
Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2004 12:08 PM
To: pianotech@ptg.org
Subject: Re: A-440 and Ethics.
 
Julia,
Why don't we ask the List if anyone has had a plate crack during=
 a pitch raise.   I've been working on pianos for 30 years and it=
 has never happened to me.   
David I.
 
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From: <Alpha88x@aol.com>
To: <pianotech@ptg.org>
Received: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 11:18:18 EST
Subject: Re: A-440 and Ethics.

Greetings, 

            Usually, when I get a tuning call, it is a piano=
 which hasn't been kept up the tunings on. I always ask how long=
 since it was last tuned. They usually don't know.. especially if=
 they have taken in an "orphan" piano.

             I do not like to raise the A4 pitch on any piano=
 more than say 1/4 a tone or so, if it's been neglectd tunings.=
 This is because I don't want to run the risk of cracking=
 anyone's harp plate, let alone breaking strings. Especially on=
 the little spinets, whose plates are 5/8" or less thick.

              When I get to the house, I check the A-440 and it's=
 octaves and get an idea of the overall tone of the piano; whrere=
 it went flat the most. I always explain the concept of A-440 to=
 the customer, and more times than not, it doesnt matter to them=
 if its up to A-440 or not. 

           They just would like it in tune with itself. I also=
 explain that pianos are designed to be tuned to A-440 for best=
 results. (unless it is an extremely old, dry upright that's seen=
 better days and wont let you even gradually take it up that far,=
 even with subsequent tunings/loose pins or bridges coming off) I=
 tune it the best I can get it, to sound at the A-4?? and suggest=
 subsequent tunings so we can gradually get it there. They agree=
 to a reminder card from me for follow ups ....say, 4 to 6 mo for=
 the first follow-up. I also inform them that with each tuning=
 the piano becomes more stable and to never let a piano go more=
 than 2 years max.

          On hearing these pianos, they are so, so neglected and=
 out of tune, the piano always sounds better upon my departure,=
 and thats all alot of folks want in order to start the kid's=
 lessons, without paying "an arm and a leg".  With customers who=
 are more vigilant of how their piano sounds is another matter.

          My tuning teacher used to say "As long as it sounds a=
 lot better when you leave than from when you arrived". 

Julia, 
Reading, PA 


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