Dampp-Chaser sold on the internet (cheap)!

[Matthew Todd]

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In truth, there is GREAT harm in installing only the dehumidifier/humidistat.  Do you even know the extreme difference between 0% to 42% RH?  There is a big gap there buddy, and you will have trouble.  Your tunings will even fail.  A constant percentage is needed for tunings to hold.  Otherwise, wood cracks, parts wobble, etc (yes, even below 42%).
 
It sounds more like from your e-mail that you were comparing a dehumidifier/humidistat with having no system at all.  We were comparing the dehumidifier/humidistat to the WHOLE system.
 
Thanks for your pesos,
Matthew

"William R. Monroe" <A440WRMPiano@tm.net> wrote:
Matthew,
 
In truth, There is no harm in installing only the dehumidifier/humidistat, anywhere in the world.  With this set-up, the worst case scenario is that we are "preventing" the humidity from ever rising above "42%."  A huge improvement, in my book, over leaving everything to the changing winds.  Perhaps, even in wet climes, the humidifier might offer more control, but I think it is reasonable to see the humidifier as "added benefit" over having dehumidifier only.  You will not harm anything by not allowing the piano to go over 42% RH.  With dehumidifier only, anywhere in the world, the RH in the piano's environment is free to fluctuate between 0%, and 42%, as opposed to between 0% and 100% without any climate control.  
 
My 33 pesos,
William R. Monroe
Madison, WI
Assoc.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: Matthew Todd 
To: Pianotech 
Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2004 4:41 PM
Subject: Re: Dampp-Chaser sold on the internet (cheap)!


I see your guys point on this.  Is there harm in installing the whole system in Florida anyhow?  I guess you don't need to install the whole system if you know for sure that your clients plan to live in Florida the rest of their lives.
 
Matthew

Avery Todd <avery@ev1.net> wrote:
At 10:36 AM 9/19/04, you wrote:
Piano's environment???  You mean to say that your clients pianos never drop below 42% relative humidity?  Do your clients keep their pianos on their front porch?  If not, then a complete Dampp-Chaser is necessary.
Not in a climate like Houston. OR Florida! :-) 

Avery 


Matthew

Farrell <mfarrel2@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:

   Unless of course relative humidity levels in the piano's environment never drop below 40% RH. Under such conditions, why on earth would you install a humidifier? Such are the conditions here in central Florida. My car is properly outfitted - even though I don't put snow tires on it in the winter - right?

   
  
   Terry Farrell

   ----- Original Message ----- 

   From: Matthew Todd 

   To: Pianotech 

   Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2004 11:34 PM

   Subject: Re: Dampp-Chaser sold on the internet (cheap)!


   Basic upright system?  I hope we all realize the importance of the COMPLETE Dampp-Chaser system.  Otherwise it cannot do it's job properly.

   
  
   By the way, didn't Dampp-Chaser raise it's prices currently??

   
  
   Matthew


   Ryan Sowers <pianorye@yahoo.com> wrote:

   Tell the client that it really isn't any great deal.

   
  
    I buy Dampp-chaser 3 packs from Schaff for $178.50. Divided by three that's about $60 per piano. Double the price for your retail mark-up and that's $120. I charge a half hour labor to put in a basic upright system (50 watt rod + humidistat). 

   
  
   However, now that I am sold on the value of the back covers I'll have to add an appropriate amount to the installation fee. 


   Clyde Allen <tunepiano1@yahoo.com> wrote:

   I recently received a call from a prospective customer

   who claimed he could buy a Dampp-Chaser humidistat for

   $77 and a dehumidifying rod for $48 on the internet. A

   complete systen for a vertical piano is $270 and for a

   grand is $326. He sent me the link. When I followed

   the link and clicked on item #14 I found he was

   telling the truth. He realizes that to install it

   himself will void the warranty. Nevertheless he wants

   to compare my price for buying the parts (and

   installing) with the price he can get the parts for

   online and have me install. My first reaction which I

   did not voice is that if he buys the parts I will not

   touch it. What do you think? How would you handle this

   situation?


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