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Matthew,
You said: "It sounds more like from your e-mail that you were comparing =
a dehumidifier/humidistat with having no system at all."
Correct, I was.
We were comparing the dehumidifier/humidistat to the WHOLE system.
Ok, So will I. I stand firm. There is NO Harm you can do by installing =
what we call a half-system. It appears that (I hope) we are in a battle =
of semantics. I agree that a full system is better. No question, =
excepting locations where RH never falls below 42%. I also continue to =
assert that you cannot do DAMAGE by installing a half system. You are =
not doing ALL THE GOOD you can do with a full system, but you are not =
CAUSING damage by leaving off the humidifier. =20
0% to 42% was for arguments sake BTW, and yes, I am fully aware the =
difference. I live in a region where the RH fluctuates rather =
dramatically. Probably from the low teens to near or at 100% (of course =
I don't really know as I am rather skeptical of any devices ability to =
measure RH accurately at the extremes). I service many pianos with =
half-systems and they are incredibly stable. Will parts become wobbly, =
will cracks form, etc. Yup. Will this also happen in a piano with a =
full system in place? Yup.
My point is simply that we CAUSE NO DAMAGE by installing a half-system, =
anywhere in the world. Could we improve things further by installing a =
full-system in many parts of the world, absolutely.
Now you have 66.
William R. Monroe
Madison, WI
Assoc.
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Matthew Todd=20
To: Pianotech=20
Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2004 6:39 PM
Subject: Re: Dampp-Chaser sold on the internet (cheap)!
In truth, there is GREAT harm in installing only the =
dehumidifier/humidistat. Do you even know the extreme difference =
between 0% to 42% RH? There is a big gap there buddy, and you will have =
trouble. Your tunings will even fail. A constant percentage is needed =
for tunings to hold. Otherwise, wood cracks, parts wobble, etc (yes, =
even below 42%).
It sounds more like from your e-mail that you were comparing a =
dehumidifier/humidistat with having no system at all. We were comparing =
the dehumidifier/humidistat to the WHOLE system.
Thanks for your pesos,
Matthew
"William R. Monroe" <A440WRMPiano@tm.net> wrote:
Matthew,
In truth, There is no harm in installing only the =
dehumidifier/humidistat, anywhere in the world. With this set-up, the =
worst case scenario is that we are "preventing" the humidity from ever =
rising above "42%." A huge improvement, in my book, over leaving =
everything to the changing winds. Perhaps, even in wet climes, the =
humidifier might offer more control, but I think it is reasonable to see =
the humidifier as "added benefit" over having dehumidifier only. You =
will not harm anything by not allowing the piano to go over 42% RH. =
With dehumidifier only, anywhere in the world, the RH in the piano's =
environment is free to fluctuate between 0%, and 42%, as opposed to =
between 0% and 100% without any climate control. =20
My 33 pesos,
William R. Monroe
Madison, WI
Assoc.
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Matthew Todd=20
To: Pianotech=20
Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2004 4:41 PM
Subject: Re: Dampp-Chaser sold on the internet (cheap)!
I see your guys point on this. Is there harm in installing the =
whole system in Florida anyhow? I guess you don't need to install the =
whole system if you know for sure that your clients plan to live in =
Florida the rest of their lives.
Matthew
Avery Todd <avery@ev1.net> wrote:
At 10:36 AM 9/19/04, you wrote:
Piano's environment??? You mean to say that your clients =
pianos never drop below 42% relative humidity? Do your clients keep =
their pianos on their front porch? If not, then a complete Dampp-Chaser =
is necessary.
Not in a climate like Houston. OR Florida! :-)=20
Avery=20
Matthew
Farrell <mfarrel2@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
Unless of course relative humidity levels in the piano's =
environment never drop below 40% RH. Under such conditions, why on earth =
would you install a humidifier? Such are the conditions here in central =
Florida. My car is properly outfitted - even though I don't put snow =
tires on it in the winter - right?
=20
Terry Farrell
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Matthew Todd=20
To: Pianotech=20
Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2004 11:34 PM
Subject: Re: Dampp-Chaser sold on the internet (cheap)!
Basic upright system? I hope we all realize the =
importance of the COMPLETE Dampp-Chaser system. Otherwise it cannot do =
it's job properly.
=20
By the way, didn't Dampp-Chaser raise it's prices =
currently??
=20
Matthew
Ryan Sowers <pianorye@yahoo.com> wrote:
Tell the client that it really isn't any great deal.
=20
I buy Dampp-chaser 3 packs from Schaff for $178.50. =
Divided by three that's about $60 per piano. Double the price for your =
retail mark-up and that's $120. I charge a half hour labor to put in a =
basic upright system (50 watt rod + humidistat).=20
=20
However, now that I am sold on the value of the back =
covers I'll have to add an appropriate amount to the installation fee.=20
Clyde Allen <tunepiano1@yahoo.com> wrote:
I recently received a call from a prospective customer
who claimed he could buy a Dampp-Chaser humidistat for
$77 and a dehumidifying rod for $48 on the internet. A
complete systen for a vertical piano is $270 and for a
grand is $326. He sent me the link. When I followed
the link and clicked on item #14 I found he was
telling the truth. He realizes that to install it
himself will void the warranty. Nevertheless he wants
to compare my price for buying the parts (and
installing) with the price he can get the parts for
online and have me install. My first reaction which I
did not voice is that if he buys the parts I will not
touch it. What do you think? How would you handle this
situation?
http://www.vandaking.com/us-shop/index.html
Piano Showcase
Order Toll Free 1-800-791-7144
Dampp Chaser=AE Humidistat for Dehumidifier
Automatic Humidistat for Uprights & Grands - $77.00
This is a Genuine Dampp-Chaser=AE Humidistat. Just =
plug
your Dampp Chaser dehumidifier into the humidistat and
it will automatically turn it on and off for you.
It's a great asset for every size of dehumidifier rod,
however, the manufacturer requires that it must be
used with all 48" dehumidifiers greater than 15 watts.
S-H2 for Uprights=20
S-GH-2V for Grands supplied with Velcro.
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
LIMITS OF LIABILITY:
You are buying a Dampp-Chaser product.=20
All Dampp Chaser products must be installed by a
qualified piano technician. If the humidistat is
installed by someone other than a qualified piano
technician, the warranty is void, and the seller and
manufacturer assume no responsibility for damage that
may occur to your piano as a a result of improper
installation of the Humidistat, or failure to
understand and make neces! ! ! sary adjustments and =
perform
necessary maintenance.
By purchasing this Humdistat, it is understood that
the above statement is agreed to, and the buyer agrees
not to hold Dampp-Chaser Electronics Corporation or
Piano Showcase liable for any damage to your piano if
it is not installed as directed.
Base price : U.S.$ 77.00
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